Space Camp (1986) Episode 503

[00:00:00] In the 1980s, kids dreamed of traveling to space. One summer at Space Camp, one robot would take matters into its own gears and send Joaquin Phoenix to space.

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[00:00:47] Welcome to Exceptionally Bad. I'm Nate. I'm Ben. I'm Brent. And I'm Danny. And tonight, we are going to talk a little bit about space. Yes! We, you know... Personal space? Yeah, so we're set around a really small table, so there's not a lot of personal space. Yeah, so I mean, it's been a hot minute since, you know, we've been on a bit of a hiatus. True. Since we got together. Stuck in orbit. Yes.

[00:01:16] Yeah. So we accidentally got launched into space and we just found our way back. Yep. So, what exciting stuff's been going on for you guys? I'm about a year and a half closer to retirement. I wish I could say the same. I just got further away from retirement. I think I'm further away from retirement as well. No. So, okay, so we watched, you know, Space Camp for tonight's show. Yes. Like what...

[00:01:47] So, a number of us were children of the 80s. Yes. So space was kind of a big deal. Like what was... Growing up, was space like a thing in your household? Like as a kid, did you ever dream of being an astronaut or anything like that? Oh, I did for sure. I wanted to be in the Air Force and I wanted to go to space. Like I loved space and then I found out because I have contacts. I don't have perfect vision. So there goes that dream. I mean, it was one of those.

[00:02:16] It was like fireman, jet pilot, astronaut. And now it's like influencer, YouTuber, be rich person. That's right. Times have changed a little. I didn't. I was still just so obsessed with... Being an embryo? Being... No, I was born in 83. So I still caught a little bit. So this was what, 86? Yeah.

[00:02:46] But my really good friend had a NASA poster and that automatically... Jared, what's up? That automatically made you like smart. Like if you even just liked NASA, it was like, oh dude, he must be super smart because he likes NASA. And so, I mean, Jared was super smart. So that checks there. So it tracks. NASA was super cool. They made science cool back in the day. That's true. That's true.

[00:03:15] They had that cool font. Like everything about it was awesome. Yeah. So, well, so you know how, um, it's always like you say, it's not rocket science, you know, you're not a rocket scientist or what, you know, like as a thing. Um, so my landlord was a rocket scientist. Like he worked his career at NASA. Dang. Okay. That's awesome. The one you have now? Yeah. So when, so when he calls, I'm like, oh, we can fix that. I'm like, yeah, but you just not rocket.

[00:03:40] Oh, well, that explains why you live in a 7,000 square foot mansion. He got that NASA money. NASA money. Well, they had unlimited funds. Um, so, well, so Brant, Brant, uh, before we started the show, before we came up, before we started the movie, didn't you do a run through an AI? I did. I did a little recon on chat GPT. Uh, let me pull it up real quick.

[00:04:08] Just so you can get kind of the Intel of, uh, the landscape according to chat GPT. Okay, here we go. So this is the summary of kind of eighties and NASA culture. It says in the eighties, pop culture really wanted to, wanted us to believe that one, NASA had an unlimited budget to NASA, let children and robots roam freely. Three robots could be your best friend or existential threat or often ball for if you snuck into a lab, you could easily find a spaceship, a laser, or a sassy robot pal.

[00:04:40] And I a hundred percent agree with all of that. Totally. Totally. I'm thinking flight of the navigator. Yeah. Both terminators. Both terminators. Uh, Johnny five. Johnny five. Yep. Batteries not included. To a lesser extent. A little bit. Yeah. Yeah. I mean. NASA was fricking awesome. Less so now. Right. Yeah. They have a lot less money now. Yeah. But I did look, they do still have space camp. Do they? Yeah.

[00:05:07] They, is, is there like a difference in how long you go to space camp based on age? It doesn't say here. Cause who looked it up? I looked it up. Yeah. We, we were wondering how long space camp is and it says, well, it differs depending on your age. So if you're between nine and 12, it's six days. If you're between 12 and 14, it's six days. If you're between 14 and 16, it's six days. So, you know, it all depends on your age.

[00:05:36] So plus or minus six days. Maybe it's just like, maybe that means like this group starts on Sunday. This group starts on Monday. Yeah. Yeah. So some kind of fun facts about like the kind of the atmosphere that we were in when this movie was released. So this movie was released in 1986. In June. In June, 1986. Uh, for those of us, so Danny won't remember cause he would have only been about three years

[00:06:04] old, but I distinctly remember. I did too. In January. Saw it live. Yeah. In January. Live on TV. Yeah. The Challenger. Yep. Exploded. Blew up live. Well, and so if you recall, this was like the big push cause it was, they had educators up in space. Krista McAuliffe. They were specifically broadcasting across schools. Yes. So that everybody could watch it. We were watching it live. The first teacher in space. Yeah. It was woo. Teachers in space. It was a, it was, it was a big deal.

[00:06:33] And then when it exploded, it was like a big tragedy. Oh yeah. Yeah. It was. Wow. It was crazy. And I remember like school doing like, you know, crisis tree, that kind of stuff. Like, Hey, we, you know, we should talk about this and stuff because it was crazy. I mean, because this was still, even though this wasn't the sixties long before any of us, when it was the space race to get to the moon and astronauts were like the heroes

[00:07:00] of the world, they were still pretty cool in the eighties. And it was like, you knew who they, their names were. You knew all of the space shuttles and people watch the space shuttle take off all the time. It was still a big deal. So. And another thing too, is NASA had basically a flawless record. Like for as dangerous as it was, they were like. For the space shuttles. A hundred for a hundred on launches and successful landings. Like they'd have little hiccups here and there, but.

[00:07:27] So it was wild to have a massive failure like this out of the blue. Yeah. Um, after the Apollo missions. Yeah. Yeah. We, um, I mean, it was, it was actually, I don't know if it was the same year or the year after whatever I was in middle school when this happened. And while I was in that same middle school, we got to participate in this national contest to name the new shuttle, which ended up being the endeavor, the endeavor, but like everybody

[00:07:56] had to write a report about some kind of explorership and our school submitted endeavor as a name. And I think endeavor was the most frequently common one, most common one. So it got named, but everybody was felt close to NASA because of this, you know? And it was a big push for the Reagan administration. Yeah. He had his whole space star Wars thing or whatever. Um, so watching it today, we can fast forward a bit to, I think, was it 2000?

[00:08:26] 2003 when the discovery exploded on reentry? I can't remember the date. 2002, 2003. It's been a while. Yeah. Um, maybe it was 2000. I'll look it up. 2005. So it was pre COVID. So it doesn't exist in history. Yeah. Before we had children. Um, but so the 2003 February. Yeah. So the, so the challenge, so the discovery also exploded, which was again, kind of, kind of rare 20 years later.

[00:08:54] Do you know what was crazy is like sometime after the eighties, I was a little bit older, obviously. And I just kind of lost interest and just stopped watching shuttle launches. Um, it wasn't that big of a deal anymore. It wasn't in pop culture as much and stuff. And when the discovery disaster, not that yeah, the discovery disaster happened, I was

[00:09:17] in, I think Las Vegas and we were at a hotel and I woke up early and I was like, um, I turned on the news and it said, this is the discovery's landing. I was like, Oh, Hey kids come look at this. You know, the spatial discoveries landing. Uh, I guess it was, I only had one kid at the time. Um, the discovery's landing. And so we're sitting there watching it come in and watched it break up.

[00:09:44] And I was like, you've got to be kidding me that I'm watching another disaster live as it's happening to the space shuttles. I seriously couldn't believe it. And I was like, am I watching a movie? And so I switched other channels because I was like, maybe I'm, maybe this is a movie and I didn't realize it. You're watching Armageddon. Yeah. Right. Something like that. It was crazy. Yeah. Look, I'm no mathematician, but I mean, that's one to one correlation. Maybe you should stop watching launches. Oh, I have.

[00:10:12] The last time I watched the launch, Elon's rocket exploded. So not all heroes were caves is what you're saying. Yeah, that's right. So my superpower is, uh, I use it only for good by no longer watching rockets take off. Nice. Uh, well, on that note, does anyone want to give us like a quick synopsis of what happens in space camp? I can do it. Go for it. So space camp is a summer camp for kids.

[00:10:42] And so a bunch of teenagers go to summer camp down in, um, Alabama Huntsville, Alabama, and, um, they're going to spend a week learning to be an astronaut. Their instructor is played by Kate Capshaw. And she is a, she's a pilot. And, uh, what did they say? Like the first pilot, air force pilot or something? She's like an astronaut hopeful too, I think. Yeah, she didn't make it. She was a alternate, alternate on a previous mission.

[00:11:11] Just, uh, didn't, just lost out to it. Yeah. So she's really bitter about it. She has no hope of going back into space or getting a chance to ever go into space. She is, uh, married to the, whatever command, the guy who's in charge of flight control, flight control, commander, whatever. Anyway, she's the instructor for space camp. And so this group of kids are going through space camp and you know, they kind of don't get along and they kind of, some of them have a crush on each other.

[00:11:41] And then there's leaf Phoenix, who we know him as Joaquin Phoenix. Yeah. Joaquin now. Uh, he was like, how old do you think he was? Like 10, 11, 12? Somewhere in there. Yeah. He was much younger than everyone else, but he was so smart that they let him be part of this group. Well, and he was, he was from the junior camp. That's right. And he, they're like, what are you doing here? And he's like, I've been for two years. Come on. Let me, let me age up. Yeah. So he did.

[00:12:08] They'd be, I mean, he knew more about everything than everyone else there, but they go through camp learning stuff. There's conflict between them and stuff. They don't get along. They don't work as a team. And then, uh, Joaquin Phoenix, his, he steals a robot from NASA and makes it his friend. And he voices the desire to want to go to space.

[00:12:33] So the robot behind his back, behind everyone's back, hijacks the mainframe and creates a situation in which these kids accidentally get launched into space on a space shuttle, which isn't actually ready to go into space. So then they're stuck up in space with not enough oxygen. They've got to find a way to do it. Oh, but their instructor lady was with them. Um, so she got to go to space. Finally, they have no communications with NASA. They got to figure it out.

[00:13:02] Luckily they were all very smart children and they were able to come down safely. That's the story. Yeah. It's based on true events. Just kidding. Yeah. And well, uh, thank you. And that's the show. What's the, what was the, the instructor's name again? The woman, uh, Andy or Andy. Andy. Andy. Now I feel like maybe, maybe Andy somehow was controlling Jinx. She wanted to go to space so bad.

[00:13:31] She really was. It was really her and Jinx, like. They colluded. Working out a plan. She programmed him to, yeah. She just knew what was going on. So, all right. So, sorry. Just back to the leaf Phoenix thing real quick. Yeah. This is really interesting because his older brother River, who was, you know. River Phoenix. Yeah. The more famous of the, you know, as everyone, everyone, everyone. At the time. Yeah. Everyone remembers him as Indiana Jones. Yes. Young Indiana Jones. He, I think he did other movies, but I'm not sure. Yeah. Um, but this is like. He was in Explorers. Yeah.

[00:14:01] This is a year after he was in Explorers, which is kind of a similar. Yeah. Space. Kids going to space. Yeah. He was also in Stand By Me. That's right. So, yeah. So that was just an interesting connection that the brothers were both in somewhat similar films. Right. That's true. Very close together. And didn't you say that. They have a sister. Yeah. Rain. Yeah. And then Joaquin went, he's the stage name Leaf to be more like his siblings. Yeah. I would've went Thunder or something like that. I would've went like Typhoon Phoenix.

[00:14:32] Oh, Typhoon Phoenix is good. Um, so. Just call me Ty for short. Yeah. Right. So this movie, like there's a lot of things about this movie that were a little surprising for a movie as bad as it was. Yeah. Um, the music is by John Williams. Yes. Um, there are times that you definitely are like, oh, this is very much a John Williams score. But unlike a lot of his other movie that he does the score for where you feel like the soundtrack is almost another character. Like it was very. Understated.

[00:15:02] And I think it was good. Yeah. I agree. It didn't distract. There was a couple of times you're like, oh, this sounds like Star Wars. Yeah. But like, um, so that was it. But you had, so we had Kate Capshaw as our teacher, Leah Thompson. Yes. Um, Kelly Preston. Yep. Uh, Joaquin Phoenix, uh, Tate Donovan. Yeah. Uh, Tom Skerritt. Yeah. A lot of people. Uh, Terry O'Quinn. Yes. Which people remember. He's the crazy guy. Um, Larry B Scott.

[00:15:33] Um, if you remember, he's one of the first people to lose to Daniel LaRusso in. Oh yeah. Right. Right. Right. He was Rudy and he's in revenge of the nerds, I think. Um, yes, that's right. So kind of like a lot of all star cast. Yeah. All star cast. And I don't know that the acting was bad. No, it was fine. It was. So this was made by ABC movie productions or something, which I've never, I don't remember ever hearing of, but it felt like a Saturday morning.

[00:16:03] Uh, what do you call it? No, no, no, no. After school special special. Yeah. Yeah. That's what it felt like. After school special. On a very special episode of space camp. Kevin will learn to be a leader. And Catherine will learn humility. Andy will learn the power of friendship. Andy will learn how to appropriately interact with children. And NASA will learn how to properly spend their money.

[00:16:34] And secure super advanced AI robots. Yes. So, well, why don't we talk a bit about Jinx? Like, yeah, yeah. What, what, what, uh, what stood out to Jinx? Jinx. So they say that Jinx is a $12 million, super advanced robot. Keep in mind, $12 million is like for an average house now, but back in the day, that was an exorbitant amount of money. Oh yeah. And it was basically just a sphere that had these spindly little legs that poked out and a three, three legs, three, yeah.

[00:17:04] Three spindly little legs that popped out. And then like a little head that kind of like popped out like a little robotic arm that comes out the front of it. Yeah. Fair. And, uh, he, he talked very much in, remember in the eighties, it robots and computers, advanced computer systems had a very specific way of speaking. And it was like caveman through a synth, you know, it was like, must go to talk to a computer. You know, it's like when you're talking to a fan. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. So he's.

[00:17:34] Max and Jinx. Yeah. And the whole, the whole thing was like, he was super advanced, but like his chip overheated or something like. And his behavior is erratic or something. Two hours or something. And he would, cause I think that's ultimately why Max and him become friends. Oh yeah. His shielding, right. He could only last for an hour. Yeah. Cause all of the other space camp nerds were like giving Jinx a hard time and he overheated and burned up or something. So Max fixes Jinx. Now they're best buds forever. By breaking into some place at, at Edwards. Is it Edwards Air Force? Whatever. I don't remember. Whatever base.

[00:18:04] Wherever the base is that they are. Well, look, there was a bunch of radios in that room. Yeah. So it just makes total sense that a 10 year old could fix a multimillion dollar piece of equipment. That's right. With the radio. Yeah. All he needed was a stronger FM signal. All he needed was to believe in himself. Well, and Jinx somehow has 100% complete access to everything on base. Yeah. Absolutely secure systems.

[00:18:31] And is the only intelligent character, I will say being very generous there that remembers that NASA has a highly advanced AI based mainframe system that knows how to do everything. And, you know, engineers to get Max into space. Yes, right. Those are some of the best lines actually delivered. The NASA. The Max and NASA. The dialogue between Max and NASA. Yeah. Can we simulate that real quick? Jinx. Who wants to be Jinx?

[00:19:01] Nate, you gotta be the NASA computer. You got the deep voice. Okay. I'll be Jinx. Okay. Hold on. Uh, so keep in mind this is a robot standing in front of a mainframe. Yeah. And he's like, uh, interface with mainframe. How can NASA help you, Jinx? Max is Jinx's friend. There is no Max in the database. There is now.

[00:19:31] Max wants to go to space. How can Max go to space? Well, the best is when the computer says likelihood of the vacation failure once every 4.9 million years. And what does Jinx say? I can't. He's like, Max won't live that long. Yeah. Those really were just absolute bangers of lines. Max and Jinx friends forever.

[00:20:02] Well, so he was built. We keep saying he, but you know, he was, Jinx was built for the space station that was being constructed. Yeah. To be an engineer on the space station. Yeah. But he, but because his chip would overload, overheat, he was too erratic or something. Yeah. Yeah. And so the thing that really, that I just kept shaking my head and kind of beating myself in the head about is like, they start out, it's like, oh, he's a 12 million or 20, whatever it is, you know, piece of like, oh, a handyman.

[00:20:30] Cause the mechanic who's working on machines like, Max, Jinx, where's my 10 inch driver in your hand? Yeah. And so you think that he's going to be like integral. It's integral. They're going to know where he is. Yeah. Right. Next scene, like Max has him hidden in the closet in their dorm. And no one cares. Yeah. No one at NASA cares. No one looks for Jinx. It's like Jinx no longer exists. And they later on the adults find out that Jinx is there and they don't care. Yeah.

[00:20:59] They don't do anything about it. Yeah. It was like one of those things in like, you know, family matters where everybody just puts their hands on their hips and they're like, oh, Jinx. Can I do that? Yeah. Can I send that shuttle into space? It was so goofy. Yeah. So yeah, so I think that's what makes this movie like a candidate for our show.

[00:21:29] It's just the absurd premise. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That the robot could take over all of NASA and without anyone knowing. Yeah. Without any sort of safety overrides. well and also okay so the kids come to camp um the breakdown of of kind of our main cast yeah so tate donovan's character doesn't really want to be there doesn't want to be there what did what did you call him a douchebag with a heart of gold yeah yeah

[00:21:57] he's not quite a diamond in the rough yeah right a douchebag in the rough his parents i guess bought him a car if he went he went yeah but he was planning on just bailing yeah but then he saw a girl leah thompson yeah yeah so then he pretended to be some yashimoto yeah yeah so the kids are lining up and they're all assigned like a colored group yeah right the lanyard colored yeah

[00:22:25] and he's clearing that and he sees that she's in the purple group or something he's in the orange group so he just grabs the next purple group one and so when they first so when the teachers when andy's like talking to him and his name is like takahashi kashimo or something like yeah something totally japanese and then he's like no i think you mean kevin i felt bad for that other kid i wonder what happened to him maybe he programmed jinx and like you're gonna send this sucker into space yeah that's

[00:22:54] much darker tale yeah right maybe if we re-watch it he's in the background yeah it's like the sixth sense they do a quick flash yeah he's behind every single scene yeah even on the space shuttle he's in the locker with jinx he's wearing the little jacket in there which i guess another thing is like that seems like something even in the 80s they could work out yeah i can't find my name anywhere right i know yeah oh you're supposed to be in the purple group and then they take him over there yeah

[00:23:24] yeah um so okay so they got tay donovan he's the bad boy he doesn't want to be there who i guess is supposed to learn his lesson he's struggling with being a leader yeah with because of the randomly assigned tasks that right yeah it didn't seem like she just ran she did she's reading off the name like oh your commander rudy you're gonna be our engineer yes yeah that's what it was did you i mean did you feel like that there

[00:23:51] was any kind of criteria that or was she literally just going down the list of whatever order you have to line up because she was like to um what's her name the other girl kelly preston she's like you're gonna be the second you're the communications officer or whatever oh that's right communications officer that's what she made on a ship with no communication because she was the influencer of the group yeah her name was tish yeah tish well because well she asked she did ask him like why do you come to space camp yeah and she's like because i want to contact extraterrestrials

[00:24:21] oh yeah and she's she's she has a photographic memory she's played off as a as an airhead but she's actually very smart smart yeah and uh which was kind of refreshing i liked it that she was and and the way that they the way that they did the costuming for her she's just supposed to be like the total she's kind of a valley girl kind of she would have been the absolute 80s hottie right like she checked all of the boxes she had like the glittery eyes and the little like star

[00:24:51] decals to the sides of her hair she had like 27 swatches yeah a bunch of junky junk chunky bracelets an eccentric belt yes yeah if if ben had a wallet at that age she would have been in it yeah definitely on the bifold he was he was the first mariah

[00:25:16] but she also had magical hair that did not did not move in space move in space yeah that's right it's the power of the perm it was her hairspray was called gravity gravity gravity called gravitas when you're stuck in space and you gotta keep your hair out of your face when you're gonna be when you're in space in the morning we gotta go to the dinner at night so it's it is

[00:25:40] always interesting how movies work out their whole gravity situation and so what were the thing yeah what did you guys think of how they handled gravity i mean realistic did it except for the talking slowly it wasn't super off-putting it was yeah it wasn't you know it was the same it was like um

[00:26:05] wire work where you can just you obviously know that they're in a wire harness that you recognize and and we had to look at it through the lens of when it was made yeah where we today we probably the budget because there was no way there was a big budget for this film do you think controlled for inflation jinx cost as much as a boat crash probably two boat crashes do you have a cost on it

[00:26:30] oh uh i can look it up like but it didn't distract you from the movie no it was yeah again the target audience is like 12 to 14 year olds yeah so us yeah so so us yeah and again we're looking at it through through the lens of we can see live streams in 4k hd yeah from you know shuttle launches and stuff like that so it's like yeah yeah well back in the day like who knew what it looked like yeah right

[00:26:57] totally actually that you bring up a good point because we watch this on youtube oh yeah so we're watching a terrible resolution movie right and then we get like 4k ads that pop up yeah right so we're constantly reminded of the quality difference i feel like too like and again this might be something that threw it off a little bit but i feel like it was in a higher frame rate so it felt like it was you know the feeling like when you watch it not in 24 frames and it doesn't feel as cinematic

[00:27:23] when you're watching it oh yeah right 60 frames yep and it just feels like you're watching home videos of people like cosplaying yeah it had a little bit of that vibe i agree good point yeah yeah i mean but again who knows whoever uploaded it where they got it from they pull it off their vhs it's been watched 100 times like it's historical records yeah yeah i was also wondering so some astronaut movies they make you want to go to space you're like oh man that was inspiring and goes did this make did

[00:27:52] this movie make you want to go to space or make you not when i watched it as a kid yes yeah now now it makes me want to rename my alexa to jinx yeah i i mean don't get me wrong if i had two hundred thousand dollars you better believe i would jump on one of those rides up to the atmosphere like that would be freaking awesome yeah yeah it would i just sorry this is doesn't have anything to do with anything else that we're talking about

[00:28:18] other than the movie yeah i i just accidentally tapped on the the thing on imdb that had alternate titles which are the it's the foreign titles for what it's called um i noticed that uh let's see i don't speak a lot of languages i do know hungarian and it was called space camp in i mean the translation but uh look at this what was it in australian let's see

[00:28:50] uh it's down at the bottom us spanish there we go i happen to know it's not space camp it says sos equipo azul which means like sos blue equipment i don't know i don't know maybe it's a callback to the blue tube that needs to be plugged in for the oxygen that is a really weird thing to like dial into i was looking here do they have

[00:29:15] deutsch oh no no no no a kipo is team team team blue team sos blue team okay which was that was their their space camp team that's true uh cap well i don't know what this is i'm gonna look this up to see what it means before i say it because what if it's a bad word australian it was a space a camp starring jennifer lopez i think that was the italian translation no that was australian

[00:29:45] the italian the translation is f these stupid kids did you just like run that through google translate and then so while ben's looking that out what what were some standout moments for you in this movie oh gosh uh there were a lot of them well let me let me let me let me rephrase that question what were standout things that you remember from your childhood and then what are things that stood out

[00:30:11] now so i think when i was a child watching this i think jinx was amazing blown away yeah like oh cool so cool um watching as an adult it's ridiculous um the way that the head kind of pops up and then it moves up and down like it's a mouth but for some reason the eyes the way the eyes are said in that robot reminds me of even though if we were to look at a picture it probably looks nothing like it but it

[00:30:36] reminds me of the owl in the original clash of the titans oh i i i get that too i can see that um even though i bet if i pull up pictures they look nothing like i know but it definitely feels like that in your memory yeah so yes i as a kid um i would have thought jinx was amazing i would have thought leah thompson and kelly preston were pretty yes and i still think that as an adult yeah but

[00:31:02] but uh but a different lens because they were pretty young then yeah but um yeah i remember um i don't remember a lot about the film from when i saw it as a kid other than it made me so excited so this was like we talked about this movie came out six months after the space shuttle we're all

[00:31:28] thinking about it i i would have loved this movie i did love this movie but um i did not realize how much weird things were in it back then yeah some stuff went right over my head like the bathroom scene on the oh gosh yeah that was weird you're gonna have to give more details than that because without context so uh joaquin phoenix's character has to go to the bathroom and he's he can't figure it

[00:31:56] he's kind of scared and and tate donovan's character comes and shows him like oh you just take this like basically like a vacuum tube yeah yeah put your private parts in it and go right it's like a vacuum yeah but he says something like you're not using it for anything else anyway or something like that yeah like a clear sexual reference like that would have went right over my head as a kid and i'm like wait this is in this kid's movie yeah the 80s did that a lot yeah a lot of movies i watched

[00:32:23] and then later you're like oh well like the over my head the girls dorm room oh yeah right i mean it wasn't anything like crazy over the top but like somebody an adult person made a distinct decision to say this is the part of the movie where all of the teenage girls are in their underwear in their dorm room yes like bonding together in this movie for kids but yeah it was like an adult made that

[00:32:49] decision nowadays that would never no never happen but it also it speaks to the audience they're going for 12 year old boys who want to go to space and get a look into a girl's yeah that's right that's what that's what summer camp that's what there was listen there's a whole genre of movies about trying to peek into the girls dorm room yeah right like yeah yeah i'm not familiar with any of them

[00:33:11] for the record for better or worse they exist what else what else kind of stood out i like i one of my favorite lines in it was when andy goes i'm gonna i'm gonna fly this mother or something like that and it almost felt like she wanted to continue that right yeah that phrase oh like all of her anger came out too right but it was like a well because they'd safely made it into orbit yeah she's like i'm

[00:33:41] gonna check this mother out but she doesn't say that yeah so we were kind of like i'm tired of these mother effing kids on the shuttle now we also said that maybe she'd come back and say i want kids of my own yeah right she would say that well we can imagine that's what she said because the movie ends with them landing it is we don't even see them get off we just see the shuttle we just

[00:34:07] see kind of the afterburners yeah yeah then it goes then if it goes all right they spent too long on on the boy and the girl like looking at each other yes and they did not spend enough time with max and jinx at the end like yeah coming back together we have no idea what happened with that with jinx could have used uh so this is actually just a super deep cup he actually went on to invent invent bitcoin oh okay so yeah yeah little known fact jinx and the nasa mainframe computer yes you're like

[00:34:36] i will mine money for you he became this created a make-believe currency so you can take over the world and all the humans will think it's real and it actually happened during bush one's presidency he was like his treasury he was like his treasury secretary he was like his shadow secretary so what what did you guys think about andy as a character yeah so um i thought that

[00:35:05] i mean this there was the the weird stuff that as she's teaching them throughout the week so passive aggressive she's so mean to him almost like a drill sergeant yeah like a drill sergeant like these kids um you know there's that tumble the circles the three circles that um what's her name in it um katherine leah thompson's katherine katherine she gets into it strapped in and then it starts

[00:35:32] twirling around in three three dimensions and like it's meant to throw you off yeah and she's supposed to use the little joystick to straighten out the the thing and she's like come on you're running out of time come on you're running out of time and then she's like okay stop the test or whatever and leah thompson's like i i would have had it in a minute she's like in a minute you would have all been dead or you would have burned up you would have burned up on re-entry and it's like this is her

[00:35:57] first time ever doing it at camp like how is she supposed to why does she expect her to succeed at all yeah yeah i think it's a it's like good enough that she didn't throw up yeah this is another reason why i think andy was in it the whole time too you remember that scene after she's like why you been so hard on me this whole time it's been like two days right and i both days we've been here

[00:36:23] response was because you're going up there yeah right i think she was just like you're gonna be going up there in a day or two right she knew she knows oh she colluded with jinx yeah no i i'm pretty sure that andy colluded with jinx jinx actually loves andy jinx and andy are running away together i said max for plausible deniability hey you know she probably she probably fell for jinx when he could shake his leg

[00:36:54] oh my gosh can we talk it's such a stupid little thing hold on keep in mind this is a top heavy spherical robot with spindly little like two thick legs and one of the one of the things one of the kids says is like shake a leg jinx and he picks up one of his tripod legs and shakes it all of us yes how did he not fall over he's only got three legs jinx defy physics okay so i i just happened to

[00:37:23] notice something else interesting please the uh we were talking about abc family pictures or whatever it was so i forgot that the um after school specials were actually called the abc after school specials and the director of this movie uh was a director for abc for abc after school specials which totally makes sense yeah we didn't actually watch the full ending of it but the ending uh clip

[00:37:53] at the end of that movie is it's ten o'clock do you know where your children are and somebody frying an egg this is your brain on drugs is your friend with a girl named lisa and so yeah so she was like a terrible teacher yeah i guess in her defense at the beginning want to be there at the beginning of the movie like she because she got she got passed over for

[00:38:20] the next mission or whatever and then her husband's like oh you can spend the summer with me at space camp and she was not happy no and oh yay i could have been in space but instead i get to spend the time in summer camp yeah so in her character's defense at least going into it you knew she was gonna have a bad attitude but she was like a terrible teacher can we be honest here for a minute though

[00:38:40] if any one of us was like top of our careers as we all are right and suddenly your your spouse comes up to you and says hey do you want to stop doing that and come babysit a bunch of snotty kids for the next week i think we would all agree to be like no thank you that totally happened to me

[00:39:03] because i was like um number two in my class at the garbage collector school and then they're like hey good job uh we need you to teach the junior garbage men the new recruits the new recruits and so i had to go and spend a week with the new recruits teaching them how to collect garbage okay yeah it happened to me it totally happens just because now you piqued my interest i know

[00:39:31] what was that like trash camp like what did you have a disgruntled old like trash collector there's oscar the grouch it was basically trash camp but we like to call it refuse camp yeah nice i like sanitation engineering yes right your flag have oscar the grouch on it someday i want to graduate to the big leagues and recycle that's right it's like on king of the hills like i want to sell propane and propane accessories if my grades are good enough

[00:40:06] so so she's not a great teacher no um we can kind of understand where she's coming from but it's bad because that whole tough on her uh on the vomit rocket yeah and then there's the simulated where the shuttle has problems and power went out power goes out and katherine goes rogue and is trying to take over rudy's jobs and kevin's trying to kevin take down his character's trying to do it

[00:40:32] but nothing and then that he just gives up um which is a hundred percent true to his character i'm glad they played that straight yeah and so then she comes in and says you just killed four people and he's like no we're all alive yeah right and uh so she kind of does the same thing to him interestingly like when they're going up to space yeah she's telling him you've got to release the booth the rocket thing she's like it's on your right side and so you watch him do it and it's like

[00:41:01] why couldn't you do it you could totally reach it like you know where it is and so we're like first and foremost she's a teacher like yeah i could do it but you'd never learn yeah how are you gonna know how to do this when you don't become an astronaut later and so i guess we should probably say like how it happens oh yeah that they go that they go into space um

[00:41:28] some lucky kids from this from the space camp get to sit inside the shuttle as it's doing an engine test oh my gosh on the on the launch pad hey kids we're gonna strap you to a live rocket basically a giant explosive we're gonna we're gonna set off one of the rockets but don't worry we'll hold on to it yeah we have a big clamp we put a c clamp on it

[00:41:53] and don't worry if it blows up it will we we know it's held down tight because jinx made sure our engineer had that ranch that he needed so so they they get they're they get in the shuttle to be there for the for the engine test yes and it i felt like the engine test was for the engine on the shuttle itself not the rocket yes it was yeah so so even though that's bat crap crazy idea to have

[00:42:21] anyone on yes right shuttle let alone children but like but jinx gets up to his little mayhem and he and the nasa mainframe you know get up to hijinks booster basically start one of the boosters and it's gonna fail and what happens if that goes off the rockets just one's gonna launch it's gonna launch itself over the tower and then crash into a rainbow shape yeah yeah that court according to the the more you know according yes the more you knew according to the schematics

[00:42:49] the only way to save it is to balance out the load yeah is to is to launch it yep so then there's all of the stress from the ground and on the shuttle to make sure they can actually make it into orbit like not not have another challenger thing happen yeah and so there's all that stuff but like it seems like andy could have done all that stuff herself but she's like telling him you gotta do this you gotta

[00:43:14] do that i was like maybe just do it like yeah again a teacher to the end yes but there and there was a part of this that that really bugged brant what was the part that really radio about the oh okay so this is this and please excuse my nerd brain like creeping in here but they have real time telemetry with this thing but somehow they they claim that they don't have radio communications with

[00:43:43] this shuttle that has a real time data download it's like so you do have communications like high gain high throughput data communications with your space shuttle but you have no way to talk to your pilots i like that seems like an oversight it's like like i took my cell phone to space but i have to use smoke signals to actually send messages you're out of service right yeah the thing that bugged me about

[00:44:09] this related to that is that um the one girl figures out hey why don't we do morse code yeah and she can just like flip this little switch and it's making a light on their dashboard on their control board like a master caution kind of alarm and it's going in in morse code yeah and so she's doing the morse code and there's no one sitting at that desk there's this this disaster of kids in all hands on

[00:44:38] deck all hands on deck situation except for that desk except for one desk and it's the desk right next to everybody else you know and it's just sitting there and even later on this is what blew my mind is even later on it's like they looked at it because jinx is starting to read off the letters and they're like what is he doing and then uh tom scarrett looks at it and he's like what and he

[00:45:02] looks at the blinking light he's like what are you saying jinx and then c-o-m-e-i-n-c-o-r-m-t-r-o-l and he's like oh it must be morse code somebody you over there do you know morse code come over here and translate oh but it was like even i mean unfortunately they did yeah hours and hours later it's been blinking the whole time and no one noticed and then even when somebody did notice

[00:45:28] they didn't realize it was morse code well the best part is is like why even have that that panel right there's nobody manning it sitting there right and who cares like ignoring the fact that somebody doesn't recognize that it's more so for a minute they'd be like uh hey bob it keeps going off this giant red master caution light keeps flickering on and off should we talk about that for a minute it's okay it's okay actually go find jinx yeah and i thought it was go get maintenance when they do

[00:45:55] finally figure it out near the end and then they send the message back they message back by blinking every single light inside the hole oh yeah yeah instead of one little button and doing morse code back they're like turn all the lights on and off in morse code yeah i like to believe that the guy who is like manning the actual set piece behind the thing is literally just like they're like and go for communications and the guy's like literally just flicking a little switch on the wall he's like

[00:46:21] flick flick flick flick flick flick flick like i'm sure he was rolling his eyes while he was doing it yeah he's like well i'm getting the minimum union dues for this that's right but uh okay so they get launched into space accidentally so the shuttle is not ready to be in space that's the short way explains why there's no there's no communications yeah not enough oxygen that's like our main the main problem the main problem why would you even have it loaded with any oxygen any at all you're doing a

[00:46:51] main engine test why would you have anything on that right the plot needed it but yeah but only one tank only what so probably the top moment for all of us in this film is when they discover they're low on oxygen yeah and it's like the next the next landing window at cape canaveral or whatever it's 12 it's it's 12 hours away and brant's sitting there he's like but we only have oxygen for 11 hours 59 minutes and then it cuts to the screen showing it was 11 hours and 57 minutes

[00:47:23] i was like what is the most absurd thing that we could put on the screen right now 10 seconds later we're gonna be out of oxygen three minutes before we land couldn't they have just held their breath like they needed to stop talking easier yeah right well so but no so this is where there was some editing problems yeah right because they so they're gonna go so the solution is to go to the space station that's under construction yep daedalus like why you would name

[00:47:50] it after that greek character i don't know but like um and so and she says andy says it'll take us about 29 29 minutes to get there yeah and that's when they had almost 12 hours of oxygen yes suddenly they have like an hour left and they're not there yet yeah i was like did that spring a leak well they're going across multiple time zones and so it runs through oxygen faster that's true

[00:48:15] or they earth is spinning pretty quick underneath them so we've got 12 hours pacific time oh shoot we're now in we're now in australian time we've lost nine hours oh no it's yesterday across the international date line 24 more hours of air or or they accidentally went to where towards the icarus space station having forgotten that it fell down because it got too close to the sun

[00:48:43] i i'm interested to know if that's how we actually keep air canisters in a propane so let's talk about that for a minute like strapped on to a scaffolding so with with the propane valve yeah daedalus is under construction yes it is just basically a grid work i think it's got like a radar for some reason it's got solar panels and it might have a module we're not really sure there's there's no way to dock with it it's just so when we thought that they were going to dock with it a lot like armageddon

[00:49:13] where they like get some fuel from the established station but no literally there's just liquid oxygen fuel tanks that are just like zip tied to this to this incomplete space station i don't know why you would send oxygen up to a habitat that literally has before anything else and it's not connected or near anything it's literally like somebody was like we should put some oxygen up there yeah let's just

[00:49:40] strap it strap them in weird places to just struts on the open space station yeah they'll need that in about nine years when we complete this um and so yeah they're how big would you say those things are about twice as big as like a propane tank yeah like for your yeah your backyard barbecue yeah and they have liquid oxygen in them and there's three or four of them 30 gallon tank yeah and uh andy

[00:50:05] andy uses her what is it the the emu yes the extra vehicular ev motorized i don't know what the jet pack mobility yeah space jetpack yeah so she she flies into this giant framework of metal is and is too bulky cannot get in there right shoot okay i'll disconnect from this thing and i can get in there she's like inches away she cannot fit her spaceship's too bulky yeah this space station not made for

[00:50:34] adult humans apparently that's only hey fortunately they have a kid on board yes they do a small small child yes can we talk about how that child fits into the adult size spaceship they only have one other space suit they start putting it on and they can't his head doesn't come out of the top just the very top of his head is poking through the neck thing and yeah he can't fit but luckily luckily tish is

[00:50:59] fashionable tish has a belt yeah it's about a mile long yeah and it's made of unobtainium so this is another like little bit of a faux pas i was paying attention beforehand she had a black like oh thicker belt earlier on the movie i think it might have had like sequins or something on it when she pulls it off it's orange it is a belt that is probably long enough to wrap around your waist

[00:51:23] twice yes i will i will optimistically give them that for her so to wrap around her her waist for size two waist yes and so they pull it out and i was like it's like orange orange cloth yeah they pull it tight and you know out pops joaquin's head yes the shuttle or the shuttle of the suit and then next scene the kid is absolutely wrapped in like all of this orange belt like it is going up and over like

[00:51:50] down between his legs up over his shoulders around his legs several times it's up and down both of his arms like it's like 30 feet of of belt of belt yeah but hey he looks good in it yeah yeah that was an interesting choice for them to do so he goes out on the robot arm thing that the shuttle has yeah um so everything that happened to the kids is foreshadowed in their training that's true

[00:52:15] because he was he was in the robot arm thing in the simulation when they all died yeah so he goes out he successfully gets the oxygen yes tank and and he's like all right i'm gonna i'm gonna bounce i'm gonna head back you bring that one when you get it she's like she's like you loosen one and i'll come back i think is what she said and i i thought it was funny too that they have full-time real-time communications with andy in the space shuttle the whole time they need to talk to andy oh yeah but

[00:52:41] as soon as max gets in the space suit suddenly they cut her off the line right because suddenly max is behind her and scares the living crap out of her idea she's acting like she has no idea that max coming and i was like were you just like what did you like i can't reach the oxygen i'm just gonna close my eyes and die out here like could you imagine though being in space like the most lonely place in the in existence you know there are no other people around you and then suddenly

[00:53:06] somebody touches you on your shoulder and you're like what the heck so those are pretty natural reactions yeah yeah that would terrify me although yeah like what happened to communication it's like we're gonna turn you off yeah we're preserving oxygen we're gonna turn you off sorry we've forgotten space you can only talk to one person at a time so we gotta switch channels we didn't we didn't pay for a party line maybe they knew she would be like no don't send him out or whatever like that

[00:53:31] don't tell you're gonna give them the benefit yeah yeah so uh so then then max he manages to get it gets kind of the one he's pulling on gets stuck and long story short he accidentally sets it off pulls it out so it pulls it out and it releases and he goes shooting off into space and so no it broke free and so he just becomes really hard and then it oh oh you're right yeah you're right i'm i'm mistaken yeah he's pulling it and then it it pulls him yeah and so then he has

[00:54:01] to go out and save him yep and then go back and then walk and then think that scene inspired gravity oh man i think it did right that movie gravity already existed oh sandy bullock yeah sandy b i think so yeah okay sorry you can continue turns out they don't say this but that's actually leah thompson's character she did make it to space and she's like she becomes sandra dang it i need

[00:54:25] that liquid o2 again why does this keep happening i've been here before so andy saves him they go back and so this is katherine's murder attempt number one yeah because rudy yeah the engineer that's right yeah he's telling andy like because for some reason they use colors yes for their for their different valves and the same color multiple times yeah yes

[00:54:53] and there's two blue valves two blue valves he's like the blue one next to the green one and they're like there's not a green one so he must be somewhat colorblind yeah um i mean but that that has to be like what it is or he's super nervous yeah yeah so then katherine well and they're out of oxygen they've officially run out of oxygen at this point so they're a little panicky little hypoxic katherine is kind of the hermione granger of this yes right or self-proclaimed maybe but like so she's like no it's the and so of course because this is how space shoulders are designed

[00:55:22] yes if you put liquid oxygen in the wrong one it blows it blows the whole thing up it does um i mean that's standard those valves right next to each other standard issue i mean movie villain probably did got hold of the schematics that's great you know but uh um so he's like it's it's the blue one next to the green one she's like it's the blue one next to the red one and so there's the tension there and and she doesn't want to believe like katherine doesn't want to believe him but then he was like look i've been reading this book ever since i got to camp and he's like

[00:55:49] he finally is sure yeah he's like andy because he lacks confidence yeah um he also wants to be building mcdonald's in space or something yeah but um rudy tees yeah he didn't have any creativity it's his problem yeah he couldn't get a job at the toy factory so he went to space camp but uh so he he gets his confidence andy do it and it turns out to be the right one yep and so

[00:56:16] then katherine starts to doubt herself a little bit and then andy who's training being a pilot but not in being a oxygen tank refiller right this disconnects it too early yes and it that's when it she gets what goes off she gets rocket into the back of the the shuttle bay doors are still open yep uh she gets slammed into the back of it then she starts drifting she's knocked out and she starts luckily she's tethered she's tethered to max who starts pulling her in yeah

[00:56:44] but but she's floating up she's outside she's outside the shuttle so then nasa has to stick their nose in the business and they they override and start to close yep the the shuttle doors and she gets shut out yep they they don't know that she's outside the ship because because they don't know anything they can't communicate because they haven't discovered the morse code button yet right and despite that it's already happening and so uh so then the crew has to make the decision of

[00:57:13] overriding nasa and missing the window yeah by one second by one second and here's katherine's murder attempt number two yes because she hesitates well she wants to do it and tate donovan's character is like it's we're gonna miss the window yeah and then it's counting down and she hesitates hesitates hesitates and he overrides it now he becomes now he becomes the leader he was commander that he was supposed to be and then he overrides it max pulls andy in they have this nice

[00:57:41] kind of she saved him he saved her yeah they close the cargo bay doors or whatever but she is out she's out of the running now right she's incapacitated they put her in that they velcro her down that sleeping bag and um and then i guess there's no down in space yeah the velcro her yeah and then then take donovan has to take over being the leader that's right and then they they did they

[00:58:07] figure out they could land in white sands new mexico yeah and then they have two minutes to get there because nasa didn't think about that no nasa thought there was no it was over there's nothing i mean to that's right to nasa's credit they're like the arm has been stowed we'll assume that everything went the way that it should hey if we go right now we can land them and get everything taken care of well we don't have communication we have to assume the best that they found oxygen right yeah yeah so i mean nasa wasn't being malicious but it was like no the kids didn't

[00:58:36] know what was going on yeah because they're like why are the doors closing we can't stop it um so then they i think nasa didn't think about it so jinx could have his redemption arc yes right where he comes in and interprets the morse code they finally see it yeah he well he comes in and confesses that he's the one that sent max to space can we talk about that for two seconds so i think jinx is also somehow affected by the time warp oxygen theory because he can get anywhere

[00:59:06] across nasa base within minutes right he's constantly popping into the mainframe and then back into the the dorms yeah gets around like crazy when he determines that max needs help he's like max needs help must work with nasa and he goes busting down the the the the road right he doesn't show up for like 11 hours right like it just happened and then we're like where is jinx yeah like where has

[00:59:32] he gotten off too he did have little wheels he did have little wheels but like the man the man can stand on two of them without falling over like physics are not a problem for him so yeah he disappears for 11 hours and then comes at the very end he has a hard time keeping power so did he have to go charge up real quick maybe maybe i mean it's 80s tech like they do not have great he's like i need

[00:59:56] d batteries hard to find very expensive why did you not give me energizer where's that damn money so he rocks up in the nick of time confesses yeah to sending max a space because they're best friends forever and he says that like max and james friends forever and then he they're carrying

[01:00:26] they're like get him out of here and there's like one guy on each arm yeah carrying him out and the best part is he like grabs the door he's like hell no we won't go well can we but like this was absolutely filmed by like an abc family special movie because they're

[01:00:50] like what is it jinx is max down the well max fell down the well of gravity into space it's so absurd oh that was like that oh yeah so after jinx has his redemption arc and tom scarrett tells him he'll get him he's gonna treat him to a can of oil that's right oh man please no oil

[01:01:17] i have electronics i am on a diet and so then so they they come in katherine has her redemption arc where she's able to get the nose of the plane to the right yeah the right temperature luckily she's yeah well she pulls out of the flat spin first pilot she yeah she she has her redemption arc with the foreshadowing in the centrifugal force machine thingy and um so this is where i started to think

[01:01:45] about discovery because discovery burn up on entry because of a bad ceramic tile um something that small destroyed it you know melted through a little hole and then and then just blew the whole thing into a fireball and they spent a significant amount of time at the wrong angle yes and so in my mind i'm thinking discovery i'm like they're dead yeah and they come in and that's peaceful and quiet and it gets turned autopilot and tish's response is like we didn't make it we're dead yes right they all

[01:02:15] are like we're dead i guess it must have been cloudy or something yeah i mean it was just like white yeah right i don't know well and here's the thing like 30 degrees obviously doesn't matter because she's like at 25 she's fighting to get it up to 30 she's at 30 for exactly one second yeah and then it goes back down to like low 20 so it's like plus or minus 10 degrees like it seems like that

[01:02:39] was a pretty important like degree like inclination to hit yeah so there's that so i mean everybody kind of had their moment to shine yeah like even tish because she came up with the morse code that's right because she'd read about it and she had this photographic memory for everything she reads and so in that respect it was kind of nice and she was an inoffensive character right like i didn't you

[01:03:03] weren't annoyed with or rooting against her like i didn't think tate donovan and leah thompson had no chemistry you thought that i thought no chemistry okay i didn't think it was terrible yeah i didn't think that they had great chemistry but i didn't think that i didn't think it was super i don't know it was weird because she was all like tish at the beginning was like oh you have pretty eyes i can make them even prettier and she's like no guys don't like me and then when a guy likes

[01:03:31] her she's like maybe guys do like you and you just don't know how to act yeah well she's like she's like maybe you don't recognize that they like you i went to the andy school of interpersonal skills that's right yeah so you say something like guy is guys like what i don't have yes that's what she's like you do have eyes like i see that i was waiting for her ponytail to come down and be like yeah oh my gosh she's beautiful the whole time

[01:03:58] and a good pilot waiting for her to take her glasses off yeah she's smart i mean yeah well because doesn't uh kelly presson's character say something like like you're really pretty a little understated because she's not like dolled up um yeah i mean that was a bit of an awkward scene but like but it was but then it was like i mean uh tate like was crushing on her the whole time

[01:04:26] and just like kept making every effort to like yeah be with her and and stuff like that and she's like oh please leave me alone oh well oh so when she's in the she gets another five minutes in the um spinning machine and he helps her get like set up in that you know and he's he's like hey i don't he's like i don't know anything about this really he's like but maybe you should ease up a bit you're trying too hard yeah and she's like i could say that about both of us yeah right so she she does recognize that he's trying yeah right but then it's like yeah but she's like well

[01:04:55] boys don't like me except for the boy who likes me except for the except for the protagonist i mean at that point though they very easily could have fallen into like the stupid stereotypical tropes right it's like totally the cute girl is super ditzy and is just getting in the way and screwing things up that's true but like i i would say all the characters felt mostly fleshed out yep right they had their own personalities they were true to those and they weren't annoying

[01:05:24] like they were just it was like yeah i could kind of the interpersonal stuff i could buy yeah to be like yeah it wasn't over the top it was they're rubbing each other the wrong way a little bit egos are in the way but at no point where i was like absolutely not yeah right it didn't seem that didn't seem super unrealistic yeah i didn't buy them as a couple but what was the what was the thing that happened was it when they went and saw the space shuttle or something yeah the full moon so

[01:05:51] they could watch the space shuttle and she says something he just like stares at her and it's like we're like forgot his line yeah it's like wait a second he doesn't have any expression on his face it's like he's like you do have beautiful eyes a little understated tish is right she's such a good communicator

[01:06:15] yeah i wish i could be as good a communicator as you tish well so but then that that went from like because i mean our women listeners please please let us know if we're right here like there's nothing more attractive to a woman than a man with no ambition right right yeah because he was just like he's like i just want to kind of like float through life like a lump of crap that's a paraphrasing right yeah paraphrasing but that's basically what he did have a brand new jeep yeah that's true so that's when they're sitting in the seats marrying into that's right that's when

[01:06:45] they're sitting in the seats and then he gets out and sits on the hood of the car because that's going to be a lot more comfortable right yeah and then she climbs up behind him and she's talking about like oh you're just too scared to try you know that's where like the very special message from yeah and then they start kissing and i was like wait a minute like they went from yeah nothing to let that worked yeah dude i got never worked i gotta remember trying that with my wife i'm gonna have to quit my job i don't want to do anything with life i'm just gonna hang out

[01:07:12] sit on the car with me to be fair to his character though like he was never not a good guy he was just like he's just like i don't know why i need to try i will say the only like he was true to what he's like i'm only here because my dad said i could get this jeep if i show up yep that's what i'm here to do his character was set up to be the uh so almost nobody was like the stereotypical character you expect and i i really liked that especially with him it was like he could have been the biggest

[01:07:42] jerk and he was really never a jerk right ever he was always like thoughtful to he defended max in the beginning when always from the beginning right yeah he was like a good guy from the beginning even though everything else made you think he was going to be the jerk it really was a douchebag in the rough yeah well and then so there's a scene where where max is like scared to go out which i felt was very realistic right he looks over this the edge of the shuttle and he freaks out

[01:08:07] yeah which i think an adult way yeah right and so he knows the way to get through to him is like to try and talk like obi-wan doesn't do a great job of it but like yeah that was all yeah that was a fun one and especially they had the scene before where he's telling max like the force doesn't because he's all mad he's been in trouble doesn't exist you know and then he comes back let's it's because jinx ratted him out yep yeah and max said something and so he thought max ratted him out like no way dude he was your ride or die man he was he was ready to go to the grave with that secret that's true

[01:08:36] i would say this movie is a master class in foretelling yes every single thing that happened yeah was like this is a there is b yes there is a there is b like every single one of the characters had their little arc yeah jinx found his double d's well it's just it's it's just such a ridiculous premise i think is what

[01:09:03] yeah it is totally into well uh our rage is yes absolutely um which is the question yeah so where does it fit yeah so does anyone else anything else say or do we want to kind of know wrap it up i one last thing is it was a little shocking because in the 80s like this happened a lot there would be the movies building up building up building crescendo credits yes there was it was a

[01:09:28] little like wait there was no denouement yeah for the rest of us like the other side of the crescendo right yeah they don't wrap anything up it's just the rising action no falling in yeah yeah yeah just built up and then you're like and and and go home yeah and we're done and you get to imagine what

[01:09:51] happens next yeah the lawsuits the yeah the congressional congressional we're watching the other guys in nassar cheering i'm like oh we're all gonna lose our jobs some of us are gonna go to jail yeah yeah who thought to put kids on a live test of the engines of a space shuttle so uh all right so who wants to start with their their vote on if it's bad exceptionally bad okay

[01:10:21] uh i would say oh i think you know what i think i enjoyed this movie um it was bad a lot of the badness well a chunk of the badness was due to its age when it was made in the budget that it had but it did have a lot of big names a lot of stars from the time and uh we've talked about all

[01:10:47] the weirdness in the thing so it's definitely a bad movie but it was also enjoyable and it was exciting when i saw it as a kid i was super excited by it and uh it was pretty fun to watch now too so i'd call it exceptionally bad um i would 100 agree with that it again product of its time yep targeted to children a third of my current age yeah um maybe younger who are you kidding a third

[01:11:17] one 16th my age from my little brother no but it yeah it was there were so many goofy things that happened and just absolute absurdities that you know it's a comedy of events right that happens to make all of this you know even possible yeah um but yeah i think just the absurdity of it jinx and nasa robot was just doing it for me

[01:11:45] like i told these guys i'm gonna go home and name my alexa jinx because i need to make that happen um but yeah definitely fun to watch i don't know that i would ever watch it alone yeah but it was definitely fun to watch with other people who also have memories of watching this as a kid like that's where the money was you know i do want to say one thing about jinx and and the nasa robot this was a time where people not everybody had a computer in their home if you had a computer it was at school

[01:12:14] occasionally right um computers were new the the interactions that were happening there none of us today none of my kids would buy that interaction because we walk around with computers on us all the time but back then nobody knew any better so it was fine yeah anyway but that's that's what makes it hilarious is like we're watching it now and it's just like oh my gosh that's what people thought computers were like right yes yes yeah that's a good point because it's funnier now

[01:12:44] because of the way technology has yeah i and yeah so i agree also exceptionally bad and it totally because of jinx and the nasa computer that like makes it exceptionally bad so quick question in war games yes does the computer talk to him like with a voice oh i believe it does because the nasa

[01:13:10] mainframe gave me war games vibes yeah yeah where he's like i think it does it's the hello do you want to play a game yes which yeah um so i felt i felt like i was tapping into because war games came out like three years before that in space odyssey yeah well yeah and there was all sorts of like um uh i don't know what when it came out but a really good movie from this era is last starfighter like yes that's a fantastic movie um but um so that that's what the computer and jinx talking back

[01:13:40] and forth gave me kind of the war games vibe a little bit um but yeah i would agree this is this is an exceptionally bad movie i can't even say it it's it's exceptionally bad um interestingly this was on our original list when we started the show of movies that we were saying like we should maybe watch this movie um i was super glad that i was able to find it on youtube because i looked and i was like it's not on any streaming services i'm like i don't want to go to ebay and try and buy it you know um

[01:14:10] so if you can put up with the eat with the ads on youtube it's it was fun to watch you might have ended up with like sos team blue yeah so yeah it was uh it was a uh it was fun like i would i would watch it again again not by myself but with people like maybe i'd watch with my kids if they wanted to um yeah have other yeah watch it with your friends it's it's great um especially if you're of an age where you might have seen it as a kid like yes um yeah so uh with that said like where can people find

[01:14:38] us i don't know anymore i assume um still on instagram at um exceptionally bad at exceptionally bad uh the guys at exceptionally bad dot com okay or is it a gmail now i don't know no just type in exceptionally bad and find us

[01:15:03] this is how you can contact us on apple podcasts or whatever podcast platform that you're on leave a five star review that's the only way you can contact us weirdly four three two and one star reviews don't ever make it to us they don't even get posted to apple alternatively you could you could write a message throw it in a bottle throw it into the ocean right or sneak it onto the next shuttle launch

[01:15:33] jinx loves the podcast jinx and exceptionally bad best friends forever that's fabulous all right yeah goodbye thanks for tuning in love you guys max will not live that long

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