The Exceptionally Bad Podcast on the film Cursed (2005)
00:00 --> 00:13 [SPEAKER_06]: In a movie, with a revolving main cast, Quest will make up choices, and an unfulfilled promise of a characterop cameo, Christina Ritchie, and Jesse Eisenberg will rid LA of the curse of the werewolf.
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00:46 --> 00:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's Bro Ducer, Danny.
00:50 --> 00:53 [SPEAKER_00]: He's, he's, he's been cursed as, as we have been.
00:54 --> 00:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Good night.
00:55 --> 00:56 [SPEAKER_04]: Touch it with Canthropy.
00:56 --> 00:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
00:57 --> 00:57 [SPEAKER_04]: Just a touch.
00:59 --> 01:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's our movie, cursed from 2005.
01:02 --> 01:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I almost said 2003, but we'll get into that a little bit more.
01:08 --> 01:09 [SPEAKER_06]: It could be, it could be any of you.
01:10 --> 01:11 [SPEAKER_06]: any of those 2.
01:11 --> 01:15 [SPEAKER_00]: It was multiple years and from what I understand multiple films.
01:16 --> 01:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, yeah, so let's get into it.
01:21 --> 01:24 [SPEAKER_00]: What do we want to talk about?
01:24 --> 01:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess how should we start and get into this?
01:26 --> 01:27 [SPEAKER_00]: It's Happy Halloween, everybody.
01:28 --> 01:29 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, Happy Halloween.
01:29 --> 01:31 [SPEAKER_06]: What's your favorite experience with the Wear Wolf?
01:33 --> 01:40 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I remember in the 1980s, there was a new network that started called Fox.
01:41 --> 01:51 [SPEAKER_00]: And besides 21 Jump Street, one of the very first TV shows that they had was a wearable themed show, and it was kind of dark.
01:51 --> 01:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And there was, uh, it was scary.
01:55 --> 01:56 [SPEAKER_04]: Do you remember what it was called?
01:56 --> 01:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I do not remember what it was called.
01:58 --> 02:00 [SPEAKER_00]: It could have been like
02:01 --> 02:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it made them like wear wool for something, but it was...
02:06 --> 02:17 [SPEAKER_00]: It did not last more than a season, but I did start watching it and I got like four episodes in and it was pretty scary and enjoyable and different, because Fox was trying to do different things.
02:17 --> 02:23 [SPEAKER_06]: It's like a fox out of that with a lot of shows because they just really experimented a lot with that.
02:23 --> 02:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I mean, I never watched American wear wool from London or Paris, I probably should.
02:31 --> 02:41 [SPEAKER_04]: But I mean, obviously, well, Americanware Wolf in London is, it has some real,
02:42 --> 02:46 [SPEAKER_04]: Mummy vibes like the Tom Cruise.
02:46 --> 02:47 [SPEAKER_04]: Like the one we watched.
02:47 --> 02:47 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
02:48 --> 02:49 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, okay.
02:49 --> 02:57 [SPEAKER_04]: Because his friend gets eaten killed by a werewolf and he keeps seeing his dead ghost the whole time has gone by.
02:57 --> 02:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's ghost buddy.
02:58 --> 02:59 [SPEAKER_06]: His dead ghost buddy who should have been the lead.
03:00 --> 03:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
03:01 --> 03:02 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
03:03 --> 03:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Did you guys ever see the movie Silver Bullet?
03:05 --> 03:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I was just going to mention Silver Bullet.
03:07 --> 03:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that was from 1985 Stephen King.
03:09 --> 03:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that a Western?
03:15 --> 03:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes No, it's based on a Stephen King short story, right?
03:19 --> 03:21 [SPEAKER_06]: So I feel the werewolf.
03:21 --> 03:24 [SPEAKER_06]: I remember I don't remember much about it I remember seeing it as a kid and enjoying it.
03:24 --> 03:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it had making follows in it
03:28 --> 03:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And a green game.
03:29 --> 03:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it is.
03:30 --> 03:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it is.
03:31 --> 03:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Wow, that was a, well, that I don't know where.
03:33 --> 03:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
03:34 --> 03:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, you guys don't have daughters.
03:37 --> 03:39 [SPEAKER_03]: I do, but they were born after 1998.
03:39 --> 03:45 [SPEAKER_06]: I thought, and a green game was like, was one of those things that comes naturally to the women.
03:45 --> 03:47 [SPEAKER_06]: Just like descends upon them.
03:47 --> 03:47 [SPEAKER_06]: I see.
03:47 --> 03:47 [SPEAKER_06]: I see.
03:47 --> 03:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's still referenced in the shows like New Girl.
03:50 --> 03:51 [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know.
03:52 --> 03:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, anyway.
03:54 --> 04:02 [SPEAKER_04]: So I feel like where we'll have tried really, really hard to be the monster in pop culture.
04:03 --> 04:08 [SPEAKER_04]: So we had vampires for a long time, that were like everywhere.
04:09 --> 04:12 [SPEAKER_04]: And then it converted into zombies.
04:12 --> 04:16 [SPEAKER_04]: And then we've had Jillian's of zombie shows and zombie movies and stuff.
04:16 --> 04:18 [SPEAKER_04]: And it's starting to,
04:18 --> 04:36 [SPEAKER_04]: move on to the next thing where we'll keep trying to be the next thing but I don't think they're catching on so I think my prediction just to say it I think which is going to be the next thing but it's just the eyes and we're going to be in the movie because he's the cognitive and how many of you don't.
04:36 --> 04:37 [SPEAKER_03]: That's true.
04:37 --> 04:38 [SPEAKER_03]: There you go.
04:39 --> 04:43 [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like it's, they tried in this movie, but it's hard to make where Wolf's sexy.
04:44 --> 04:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
04:45 --> 04:45 [SPEAKER_04]: Whatever.
04:45 --> 04:46 [SPEAKER_04]: What are you talking about?
04:46 --> 04:48 [SPEAKER_03]: The wolves themselves.
04:48 --> 04:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
04:48 --> 04:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
04:49 --> 04:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
04:49 --> 04:57 [SPEAKER_06]: When they're human, I think the, I think the problem, the, where Wolf's running to, which is similar to the, probably have some of, like, Superman.
04:57 --> 05:22 [SPEAKER_06]: is like Superman is just too good or whatever it's he had to like see the more interesting stories like the people around him like they did with one punchman right you guys see that show last you know side to most invincible basically so the story is kind of about his interactions people around him right yes and the thing with where wolves is like once they kind of wolf out or whatever like they become like an uncontrollable monster
05:22 --> 05:26 [SPEAKER_06]: And it's, so it would be like a less intelligent, incredible Hulk just running around.
05:26 --> 05:28 [SPEAKER_06]: And so it's hard to build a story around that.
05:29 --> 05:38 [SPEAKER_04]: That's, so I've always liked the idea of where wolves, but that specific aspect is a thing that I've always hated about where wolves.
05:38 --> 05:42 [SPEAKER_04]: And that is that like once they become the wolf, they lose all control.
05:42 --> 05:44 [SPEAKER_04]: So it's like they can't.
05:44 --> 05:45 [SPEAKER_04]: use it to their advantage.
05:45 --> 05:46 [SPEAKER_04]: There's no benefit.
05:47 --> 05:49 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, they just this cursed monster.
05:50 --> 05:54 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a jacoline hide thing versus a team wolf thing when, you know, right.
05:54 --> 05:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
05:54 --> 05:57 [SPEAKER_04]: Now you've got your powers team wolf meaning in the movies.
05:57 --> 05:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Now I don't know about the show, but yeah.
05:59 --> 06:01 [SPEAKER_06]: Do you have you read the disc world books at all?
06:01 --> 06:05 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm trying to test like, um, not that I remember.
06:05 --> 06:07 [SPEAKER_04]: So I think I may have read one.
06:07 --> 06:08 [SPEAKER_06]: in the eight more pork city watch.
06:08 --> 06:22 [SPEAKER_06]: They have a wear wolf who's a officer and that works pretty well but but but she also can maintain control over yeah brain when she wolf south wolf south yeah I think if that were the general idea then it would be cool
06:24 --> 06:30 [SPEAKER_03]: I do like, so I don't remember the name of the show, but it has, um, Twilight, is that weird thinking?
06:31 --> 06:31 [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, no.
06:31 --> 06:32 [SPEAKER_03]: It was a TV show.
06:32 --> 06:36 [SPEAKER_03]: It was, I want to say it was on Netflix, where, um, oh, the order.
06:36 --> 06:41 [SPEAKER_03]: It's, is it Amy Adams, I believe, is a werewolf, and she knows she is.
06:41 --> 06:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I think that's night bitch.
06:43 --> 06:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Is that what it is?
06:43 --> 06:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
06:44 --> 06:45 [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like that's a different one.
06:45 --> 06:46 [SPEAKER_00]: That came out.
06:46 --> 06:46 [SPEAKER_05]: That's a movie.
06:46 --> 06:47 [SPEAKER_05]: Wow.
06:47 --> 06:47 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
06:47 --> 06:48 [SPEAKER_03]: No, there is it.
06:48 --> 06:49 [SPEAKER_03]: No, so there's a TV show.
06:49 --> 06:50 [SPEAKER_03]: No, it's a TV show.
06:50 --> 06:50 [SPEAKER_05]: There's a TV show.
06:50 --> 06:51 [SPEAKER_05]: It's not.
06:51 --> 06:53 [SPEAKER_05]: So there's a TV show called the order.
06:54 --> 06:57 [SPEAKER_05]: where it's like a secret of the order.
06:57 --> 06:57 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like that.
06:57 --> 06:59 [SPEAKER_03]: No, this is she's just living her life.
06:59 --> 06:59 [SPEAKER_03]: She's aware.
06:59 --> 07:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, if she knows she is and she plans for it.
07:02 --> 07:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Like she has a house that has like a locked in dungeon.
07:05 --> 07:15 [SPEAKER_03]: She locks herself in once a month and then she falls in love with a guy they start dating and his name is Stan Hell somehow he ends up in in the house.
07:15 --> 07:17 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember how he ends up locked in.
07:17 --> 07:19 [SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, oh, what was that?
07:20 --> 07:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Because he loves out.
07:21 --> 07:24 [SPEAKER_03]: He hears everything that's happening, but he can't see anything.
07:24 --> 07:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
07:25 --> 07:25 [SPEAKER_03]: It's very interesting.
07:25 --> 07:27 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll have to look it up and yeah, that's cool.
07:27 --> 07:28 [SPEAKER_06]: But did you see the order?
07:28 --> 07:32 [SPEAKER_06]: Because the order is like, it's like, it's like, it's like a color of eternity.
07:32 --> 07:32 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
07:32 --> 07:34 [SPEAKER_06]: And it's like, which is versus where we'll.
07:34 --> 07:35 [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
07:35 --> 07:37 [SPEAKER_06]: I guess magicians versus we'll.
07:37 --> 07:38 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
07:38 --> 07:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, to your point, though, where wolves have been featured in the Harry Potter books and Twilight obviously more significantly, they're still a pretty strong and pop culture.
07:49 --> 07:56 [SPEAKER_04]: And they are not just, I just don't think they're going to be like the monster of the time of the zeitgeist.
07:56 --> 07:57 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
07:57 --> 08:01 [SPEAKER_06]: But I mean, they put a role in Ben Helsing, but he wasn't like, well, yeah.
08:01 --> 08:01 [SPEAKER_04]: The bad guy.
08:02 --> 08:03 [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
08:03 --> 08:14 [SPEAKER_04]: So here's the thing is that of the monsters, the big monsters that we think of like vampires and zombies and Frankenstein monsters or whatever.
08:15 --> 08:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Whirls are actually the ones that are probably the most likely to be real.
08:20 --> 08:23 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean like if they're the closest to reality.
08:25 --> 08:29 [SPEAKER_04]: And this isn't a...
08:31 --> 08:36 [SPEAKER_04]: This isn't a cryptosoological podcast, as much as I wish it were.
08:36 --> 08:42 [SPEAKER_04]: But there are forever.
08:43 --> 08:49 [SPEAKER_04]: Cultures always have these stories of people who turn into wolves.
08:50 --> 08:56 [SPEAKER_04]: And even today, there are still stories of people who see dog men
08:57 --> 09:14 [SPEAKER_04]: skinwalkers who like turn into wolves and stuff like that at a friend with a really scary skinwalker story of a wolf that ran beside her car while they were driving and then turned into a man anyway.
09:16 --> 09:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so I looked it up.
09:18 --> 09:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
09:19 --> 09:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, it wasn't Amy Adams.
09:20 --> 09:21 [SPEAKER_03]: It was her doppelganger.
09:21 --> 09:22 [SPEAKER_03]: I love Fisher.
09:22 --> 09:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
09:23 --> 09:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I love Fisher and Josh Gad.
09:24 --> 09:25 [SPEAKER_03]: The movie's called Wolf like me.
09:26 --> 09:26 [SPEAKER_03]: It's on the hook.
09:27 --> 09:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Go check it out.
09:27 --> 09:28 [SPEAKER_06]: Wolf like me.
09:29 --> 09:29 [SPEAKER_06]: Wow.
09:30 --> 09:32 [SPEAKER_06]: So I love Fisher is Australian.
09:33 --> 09:34 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah.
09:34 --> 09:34 [SPEAKER_06]: So she speaks Italian.
09:35 --> 09:37 [SPEAKER_06]: That's probably where you get the fusion of the accent.
09:37 --> 09:38 [SPEAKER_00]: It is.
09:38 --> 09:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
09:39 --> 09:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I did look up the show from Fox, and it was called Werewolf.
09:44 --> 09:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Werewolf, okay.
09:45 --> 09:47 [SPEAKER_00]: 1988 and I've never heard of Yes.
09:48 --> 09:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
09:50 --> 09:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
09:50 --> 09:56 [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm going to give a synopsis of our film that we just watched.
09:56 --> 09:58 [SPEAKER_04]: So the film again is cursed.
09:58 --> 09:58 [SPEAKER_06]: I forgot.
09:58 --> 09:59 [SPEAKER_06]: We watched it movie.
09:59 --> 10:00 [SPEAKER_04]: 2005.
10:03 --> 10:08 [SPEAKER_04]: So the synopsis of the plot is that a brother and sister get in a car wreck.
10:09 --> 10:24 [SPEAKER_04]: And one of the victims in the other car, the victim in the other car, gets taken by some monster, the brother and sister also gets scratched or bitten or something, and then they turns out that they become wearwolves.
10:24 --> 10:32 [SPEAKER_04]: And the only way to be not wearwolf is to kill the wearwolf that started the whole thing.
10:33 --> 10:39 [SPEAKER_04]: Basically, kill the sire and everybody is clear.
10:40 --> 10:41 [SPEAKER_04]: They go about their lives.
10:41 --> 10:44 [SPEAKER_04]: They only have like three days to figure it out.
10:44 --> 10:50 [SPEAKER_04]: And so they don't seem very anxious about it.
10:50 --> 10:52 [SPEAKER_04]: They don't seem to care much at all.
10:52 --> 11:01 [SPEAKER_04]: But eventually it comes down to some battles between werewolves and they think they win.
11:01 --> 11:09 [SPEAKER_04]: But then it turns out they didn't because it was a fake ending kind of thing and then another battle.
11:10 --> 11:12 [SPEAKER_04]: And that's the end.
11:12 --> 11:12 [SPEAKER_04]: Where, bud?
11:13 --> 11:18 [SPEAKER_03]: I did think this was an interesting take, because it's not blood necessarily.
11:18 --> 11:20 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like somehow a curse is passed with the blood.
11:20 --> 11:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Whereas, yes.
11:21 --> 11:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Typically, it's a...
11:23 --> 11:24 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a spiral thing, right?
11:24 --> 11:25 [SPEAKER_03]: It's something kind of thing, right?
11:25 --> 11:27 [SPEAKER_06]: It's almost like vampirism.
11:27 --> 11:27 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah.
11:27 --> 11:31 [SPEAKER_06]: That's usually how you kill vampires, it's killed a head vampire in the rest of them.
11:31 --> 11:32 [SPEAKER_06]: And then they all, yeah.
11:32 --> 11:36 [SPEAKER_00]: If I remember right, the werewolf TV show in the 80s, sorry, I'll keep going back to that.
11:36 --> 11:37 [SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
11:37 --> 11:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Had the same premise, actually,
11:40 --> 11:42 [SPEAKER_00]: the where we'll fuse.
11:43 --> 11:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so it could kill him and then get back to normal.
11:47 --> 11:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Break the curse.
11:48 --> 11:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
11:49 --> 11:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
11:51 --> 11:52 [SPEAKER_00]: That's how I remember it anyway.
11:52 --> 11:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's not, but it's seem familiar.
11:55 --> 11:56 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
11:57 --> 12:04 [SPEAKER_04]: To be honest, when I think about it, I think this is the only time I'm sure there have been, but usually,
12:04 --> 12:09 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think of their being a cure for wear wolfism.
12:10 --> 12:12 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you can't throw a piece.
12:12 --> 12:12 [SPEAKER_03]: There is.
12:12 --> 12:13 [SPEAKER_04]: It's a final cure.
12:13 --> 12:15 [SPEAKER_04]: It's a silver bullet, right?
12:16 --> 12:21 [SPEAKER_06]: Is this the first movie that we've watched where we've witnessed Botanophobia?
12:22 --> 12:23 [SPEAKER_03]: It is.
12:23 --> 12:24 [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to need a definition to that.
12:25 --> 12:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Botanophobia.
12:26 --> 12:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Not everybody is familiar with all the phobias.
12:28 --> 12:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
12:29 --> 12:30 [SPEAKER_03]: And irrational fear of plants.
12:31 --> 12:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
12:32 --> 12:33 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to need a little context there, Nate.
12:34 --> 12:44 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, um, as Ben mentioned, there was a, uh, when this brother's sister get bitten, so there's an accident on, so this takes place in Los Angeles.
12:45 --> 12:48 [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, I think Bracken is our resident, um, Los Angeles.
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13:03 --> 13:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so Mulhollan gut is in the Hollywood Hills it's there's a lot of residential stuff It's just like a road that a two-lane road that goes up and down the Hollywood Hills West of the Hollywood sign Yeah, and goes into Hollywood so
13:24 --> 13:27 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I just I know it from the the Californians.
13:27 --> 13:29 [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, I know.
13:31 --> 13:34 [SPEAKER_06]: So anyway, the brother's sister or oh five and yeah, yeah, sorry.
13:35 --> 13:38 [SPEAKER_06]: Go up on Pacific and turn and go to the 405.
13:39 --> 13:42 [SPEAKER_06]: But um, take a left on Sepulveda.
13:42 --> 13:43 [SPEAKER_06]: Sorry.
13:45 --> 13:46 [SPEAKER_06]: Those are parallel roads.
13:47 --> 13:53 [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, so anyway, so the brother's sister are driving home
13:54 --> 13:59 [SPEAKER_06]: somewhere and they get attacked by a creature jumps out and they lose the roller car.
13:59 --> 14:00 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, hit another car.
14:01 --> 14:05 [SPEAKER_06]: That car goes off of the wall and rolls down their holes down multiple times.
14:06 --> 14:07 [SPEAKER_06]: Hands on its roof.
14:07 --> 14:09 [SPEAKER_06]: Christine the reachy goes down to train help the
14:10 --> 14:19 [SPEAKER_06]: the driver, but the car is kind of wedged between some bushes, wedges of very generous term and completely upside down.
14:19 --> 14:25 [SPEAKER_04]: It's upside down and it's like a hedge that is just one side of the car.
14:25 --> 14:39 [SPEAKER_06]: It's adjacent to some bushes, there's bushes in the vicinity, and the Christina Ritchie would not cross the bushes to get the other side of the car to see if she could help
14:40 --> 14:53 [SPEAKER_06]: And so that's what we're like, oh, she must have an irrational fear of plants with bushes because like, because like every time going through that scene, like, and just the Eisenberg, when he shows up, they're like very, like, well, we're respectful of the bush on the side of the community.
14:53 --> 14:58 [SPEAKER_04]: When they were running from the monster, whatever it was, right?
14:58 --> 15:01 [SPEAKER_04]: They run, they crawl back through the windows of the car.
15:01 --> 15:03 [SPEAKER_04]: They're going around into the car.
15:03 --> 15:04 [SPEAKER_04]: They throw the bushes out.
15:04 --> 15:06 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, okay, so the, the woman,
15:06 --> 15:33 [SPEAKER_06]: gets pulled by the creature out of the what would be against the driver side of the window the woman played by uh uh Elizabeth what's her name Shannon Elizabeth um yes she gets pulled out what have been the driver side window yeah and jessie icebergs holding on to her so he gets also dragged through and then Christina reshes holding on to him so it's like it's comedy and a beat yeah it's a situation they all get dragged through
15:34 --> 15:40 [SPEAKER_06]: They get bitterscratched and they run away but they crawl back through the car instead of, you know, disturbing those bushes.
15:41 --> 15:41 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
15:43 --> 15:44 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, man.
15:44 --> 15:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I still couldn't understand why she was upside down for like five minutes.
15:48 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess it was because of her.
15:50 --> 15:53 [SPEAKER_00]: It looks like we're trying to do the dashboards somehow.
15:53 --> 15:57 [SPEAKER_00]: It was partially because of the airbag, I think, or something.
15:57 --> 15:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
15:57 --> 15:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what it was.
15:59 --> 15:59 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
15:59 --> 16:01 [SPEAKER_04]: They were going to get a jack or something.
16:01 --> 16:02 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the plot.
16:02 --> 16:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's why it did not make sense.
16:05 --> 16:07 [SPEAKER_04]: I would say it was in the script, but I don't think it was.
16:07 --> 16:08 [SPEAKER_06]: He was held there by the butt.
16:08 --> 16:10 [SPEAKER_06]: She was there while they're doing re-rights.
16:10 --> 16:12 [SPEAKER_06]: It's just kept the camera rolling.
16:12 --> 16:12 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
16:13 --> 16:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Can we just talk about a little bit of the absurdity of coincidence there?
16:17 --> 16:24 [SPEAKER_03]: So, Jesse Isaburian, Christina Ritchie's characters are driving in the car home from some event.
16:23 --> 16:29 [SPEAKER_03]: at the same time that one of the main characters former ex-girlfriends.
16:30 --> 16:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
16:30 --> 16:31 [SPEAKER_03]: He's also driving.
16:31 --> 16:33 [SPEAKER_03]: He's also driving, but they have the interaction.
16:33 --> 16:35 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, so direction on the hall.
16:35 --> 16:39 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, I mean, I know that there's only like three people that live in Hollywood.
16:39 --> 16:43 [SPEAKER_03]: So, I mean, that there's never really any traffic down there from what I understand.
16:45 --> 16:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Famously, no traffic.
16:50 --> 16:51 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, man.
16:52 --> 17:11 [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, so this film, I'll just talk about this because I read a bunch of, because I can read IMDB, but there was a lot of, the film itself was cursed, like it's called cursed, but the project was cursed.
17:11 --> 17:12 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you mean, how so?
17:16 --> 17:21 [SPEAKER_04]: So this film was directed by Wes Craven, what else has Wes Craven done?
17:21 --> 17:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Not a lot of stuff.
17:23 --> 17:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm here on our own street.
17:24 --> 17:27 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, screen, screen, nightmare on our own street, all the Freddy's house.
17:27 --> 17:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Did he do the crow?
17:28 --> 17:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Was that him?
17:29 --> 17:30 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if he did the crow.
17:30 --> 17:31 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
17:31 --> 17:32 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
17:33 --> 17:33 [SPEAKER_03]: The crow's eyes.
17:33 --> 17:44 [SPEAKER_04]: So he did this, this was at a time where he was just trying to work and he was offered double his pay to make this.
17:44 --> 17:47 [SPEAKER_04]: And he's like, heck yeah, for double, I'll do it.
17:48 --> 18:12 [SPEAKER_04]: uh... i've got a spare two months i'll make this film and the film took over two years to actually do uh... he said by the time he was done he had enough that he could have done he could have made two and a half other films that would actually make money and so and he also kind of blames this
18:12 --> 18:17 [SPEAKER_04]: terrible, like the whole process, everything that went wrong with this.
18:17 --> 18:22 [SPEAKER_04]: He blames that for he's like, that's why my phone doesn't ring very much anymore.
18:22 --> 18:23 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh no.
18:23 --> 18:27 [SPEAKER_04]: When really, I think the real thing, it's not his fault at all.
18:27 --> 18:30 [SPEAKER_04]: It sounds like it's production, like the producer's fault.
18:32 --> 18:36 [SPEAKER_04]: He had, he did two versions of this film.
18:36 --> 18:43 [SPEAKER_04]: So he made a version of the film, they cut it, they edited it, it had a bunch of people in it who are not in the movie anymore.
18:43 --> 18:51 [SPEAKER_04]: And he made it, and the wine steins, who were the producers.
18:52 --> 18:54 [SPEAKER_04]: They're like, uh, no, we don't like this.
18:55 --> 19:03 [SPEAKER_04]: The ending was a little bit more tragic, originally, so, and we could talk about that later if you want.
19:04 --> 19:07 [SPEAKER_04]: They had them recut it and do reshutes.
19:07 --> 19:19 [SPEAKER_04]: So they filmed for, I think I read, they filmed for 40 days originally, then they did like 20 or 25 days of reshutes.
19:20 --> 19:24 [SPEAKER_04]: And he did a second version of the film.
19:24 --> 19:25 [SPEAKER_04]: And they didn't like that either.
19:26 --> 19:29 [SPEAKER_04]: They put it on hold and delayed it and stuff.
19:29 --> 19:32 [SPEAKER_04]: And then they wanted,
19:32 --> 19:34 [SPEAKER_04]: They jumped in and started messing with it.
19:34 --> 19:42 [SPEAKER_04]: They being the producers, then another 10 days of reshoots, new casting, some voice over stuff.
19:43 --> 19:50 [SPEAKER_04]: And then we get the film that we have now, which there are people who have seen the first two versions.
19:50 --> 19:52 [SPEAKER_04]: Like they're out there.
19:52 --> 19:57 [SPEAKER_04]: It may even be on DVD special behind the scenes stuff.
19:57 --> 19:59 [SPEAKER_04]: That's on the Blu-rays or whatever.
20:00 --> 20:10 [SPEAKER_04]: You can see the previous cuts and everyone says that either of the first two, both of the first two cuts were actually pretty good movies way better than what we got.
20:12 --> 20:16 [SPEAKER_04]: So anyway, a ton of time, Judy Greer talked about that.
20:17 --> 20:20 [SPEAKER_04]: Some of the names of people who were originally in the movie.
20:21 --> 20:49 [SPEAKER_04]: who were cut out, let's see, oh, Maya, so Maya is in the film, but her character was originally played by Mandy Moore, who she filmed all her stuff with Shannon Elizabeth, and then for whatever reason when they did reshoots, she wasn't available, she wasn't in the film,
20:49 --> 20:58 [SPEAKER_04]: a part if we were to go back and watch it the beginning there's a part where Shannon Elizabeth is talking to Maya and she calls her by whatever her name is
20:58 --> 21:05 [SPEAKER_04]: And her mouth doesn't match because they dubbed over it because she's talking to Mandy Morich character at the time.
21:05 --> 21:09 [SPEAKER_03]: And in fairness, Chanel is with had two scenes.
21:09 --> 21:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
21:09 --> 21:11 [SPEAKER_03]: She had her introductory scene.
21:11 --> 21:12 [SPEAKER_03]: And then she had her death scene.
21:12 --> 21:14 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
21:14 --> 21:18 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's see, Skit Ulrich was originally, they were supposed to be three main characters.
21:18 --> 21:20 [SPEAKER_04]: They were a three best friends.
21:20 --> 21:28 [SPEAKER_04]: So Christina Ricci, Jesse Eisenberg, Skit Ulrich, were three friends who got in the car accident.
21:28 --> 21:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, it was a low interest?
21:30 --> 21:32 [SPEAKER_04]: No, he was, yeah, that's right.
21:32 --> 21:37 [SPEAKER_04]: But he was, uh, Shannon Elizabeth's character in the accident, basically.
21:37 --> 21:46 [SPEAKER_04]: So he was the other driver and then he and, but he survived and then he and Christina Ricci, they were love interest.
21:46 --> 21:57 [SPEAKER_04]: And then the three of them are trying to, you know, find the, the alpha and figure it out.
21:58 --> 22:06 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, oh, what's her name, Laura, or Chris, what is her name?
22:06 --> 22:10 [SPEAKER_04]: I can't, I'm embarrassed that I forgot her name, just second.
22:10 --> 22:11 [SPEAKER_06]: And if she's in your wallet, that would be even better.
22:11 --> 22:19 [SPEAKER_04]: No, she's not in my wallet, but she is, um, oh, Heather, Heather Linging Camp from Nightmare in Elm Street.
22:19 --> 22:19 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
22:20 --> 22:23 [SPEAKER_04]: She's the, the final girl, um,
22:25 --> 22:26 [SPEAKER_03]: She got killed so hard in that movie.
22:27 --> 22:28 [SPEAKER_03]: She didn't even make it into this one.
22:28 --> 22:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
22:28 --> 22:41 [SPEAKER_00]: This is so surprising because, you know, this is coming after the screen trilogy and West Craven's, you know, those are all successful, well received movies.
22:42 --> 22:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, it's bombing additional sequels afterwards.
22:46 --> 22:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
22:47 --> 22:49 [SPEAKER_00]: With West Craven at helm.
22:49 --> 22:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And then Kevin Williamson is also the writer of, like the first two screen movies, exactly to produce, I think, in some capacity on the third, very involved.
22:58 --> 23:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's the writer of this movie as well, you know, Kevin Williamson seemed to be really well loaded with the way he reinvented the horror franchise and screams.
23:12 --> 23:17 [SPEAKER_00]: So the fact that he's reuniting here with Wes Craven, you would think that
23:17 --> 23:20 [SPEAKER_00]: the producers would have a little bit more trust in that pairing.
23:22 --> 23:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, there is.
23:24 --> 23:28 [SPEAKER_04]: I'll see if I can find the quote here, but actually, I won't find it.
23:30 --> 23:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Jesse Eisenberg in one of his interviews, he said something about it.
23:35 --> 23:41 [SPEAKER_04]: Everybody seem to have a good time making this movie, even though it took forever to make it.
23:41 --> 23:43 [SPEAKER_04]: They had a good time.
23:44 --> 23:47 [SPEAKER_04]: And they thought the original version was good.
23:47 --> 23:50 [SPEAKER_04]: Everybody liked the original script and the original everything.
23:50 --> 23:55 [SPEAKER_04]: And he was like, I didn't, but then it became a mess.
23:55 --> 23:57 [SPEAKER_04]: And he said at the time, I didn't understand it.
23:57 --> 24:03 [SPEAKER_04]: But then after now, we learn more about what was going on in the Weinstein.
24:03 --> 24:03 [SPEAKER_04]: Manchin.
24:04 --> 24:04 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
24:05 --> 24:06 [SPEAKER_04]: Just in that with their company.
24:08 --> 24:14 [SPEAKER_04]: It makes a lot more sense that there was so much it was disarray basically.
24:14 --> 24:21 [SPEAKER_03]: It was just a does that explain why Jesse Eisenberg's hair is different in almost every single scene.
24:21 --> 24:28 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like flat and lifeless in one scene and then they're doing very fighting and like because of all the reshutes.
24:28 --> 24:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
24:28 --> 24:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
24:29 --> 24:32 [SPEAKER_03]: It's just like they're like, I don't even care.
24:32 --> 24:33 [SPEAKER_06]: was the wolf in him.
24:34 --> 24:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean sexier kind of, but then his hair went like super floppy.
24:38 --> 24:44 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and I think that's, they should have just done the thing that they did with Lex Luther and just made him wear wig.
24:45 --> 24:45 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
24:45 --> 24:47 [SPEAKER_06]: I know it had been the same every time.
24:47 --> 24:49 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, Lex Luther from Smallville.
24:49 --> 24:50 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
24:50 --> 24:54 [SPEAKER_00]: This movie reminded me a lot of the screen franchise in a lot of ways.
24:54 --> 25:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if you look at the poster, it's definitely got the same kind of look from the screen movies, it's, you know, like I said, it's got the same director, same writer.
25:07 --> 25:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think even the structure of this movie is very similar to screen.
25:13 --> 25:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, in screen, you've got these killers or a killer.
25:17 --> 25:19 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't know who's the killer is.
25:19 --> 25:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And then it's basically a reveal at the end, like who the real king where Wolf is and then the show down.
25:27 --> 25:29 [SPEAKER_06]: And I still think it's Scott Bayou.
25:29 --> 25:31 [SPEAKER_00]: He's still thinking, I mean, that's what we are.
25:31 --> 25:32 [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's a carrot top.
25:32 --> 25:38 [SPEAKER_04]: So there was a version of the film where Scott Bayou was Jake's protege.
25:38 --> 25:49 [SPEAKER_04]: And so he was, I think that where Judy Greer was in this film, it would have been Scott Bayou instead.
25:50 --> 25:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Scott Bale was playing himself in this and I mentioned to the group before we started recording Henry Winkler, Whizz and Scream, Scott Bale, also from Happy Days.
26:00 --> 26:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Friends probably had that association and was put in this movie.
26:05 --> 26:09 [SPEAKER_06]: It's just like, if this was successful, I mean Ron Howard would be in the next one.
26:09 --> 26:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, and Mr. Bale probably.
26:11 --> 26:18 [SPEAKER_03]: We tragically really missed out on the Scott Bale as a bad guy,
26:19 --> 26:23 [SPEAKER_03]: But he's, we've missed out on that, like, no.
26:23 --> 26:27 [SPEAKER_03]: And they, he'll probably be a wolf, they will be a wolf.
26:27 --> 26:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, they'll be a wolf.
26:29 --> 26:33 [SPEAKER_03]: These, oh my gosh, this movie writes itself.
26:33 --> 26:35 [SPEAKER_06]: But hey, let's see if they can do some more reshutes.
26:35 --> 26:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
26:36 --> 26:37 [SPEAKER_06]: Let's see if we can make a special edition.
26:38 --> 26:40 [SPEAKER_06]: Although, I mean, and he's not in it very much.
26:40 --> 26:41 [SPEAKER_05]: It's not, it's not.
26:41 --> 26:44 [SPEAKER_06]: It's just notable because it's like Scott Bayo is, yeah.
26:44 --> 26:48 [SPEAKER_06]: He's a guest on the Craig Kilburn show.
26:48 --> 26:48 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
26:49 --> 26:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, this really makes me want to see the original versions of the mood or the, you know, version 2 and I'm sure Scott area would have been in.
27:00 --> 27:04 [SPEAKER_00]: like the second half or the last quarter of the movie a little bit more, right?
27:05 --> 27:06 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I don't know if he was even there.
27:06 --> 27:18 [SPEAKER_04]: So the first version of the film that had 90% of it done, everything but the ending was filmed when they had to change course and do their first set of reshutes.
27:19 --> 27:26 [SPEAKER_04]: I think like 12 minutes or something of original footage is all that we see.
27:26 --> 27:27 [SPEAKER_04]: everything original cut.
27:27 --> 27:27 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
27:27 --> 27:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, dang.
27:29 --> 27:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Is it like the opening and closing credits?
27:31 --> 27:34 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that they are whichever.
27:34 --> 27:35 [SPEAKER_04]: They're different things.
27:35 --> 27:38 [SPEAKER_04]: I know that there are scenes that are reordered.
27:39 --> 27:44 [SPEAKER_04]: Like things that were originally in the beginning and up later on in the film and things like that.
27:44 --> 27:44 [SPEAKER_04]: So I don't know.
27:45 --> 27:47 [SPEAKER_04]: But I'd love to see the original.
27:47 --> 27:50 [SPEAKER_04]: to see what Wes Craven actually intended.
27:51 --> 27:56 [SPEAKER_03]: So, I guess, what was good about this and where did it go off the rails?
27:58 --> 28:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it has like a 5.1 rating on IMB, so it's really like a, a bismal, but I didn't feel like it was slow at any point.
28:07 --> 28:08 [SPEAKER_00]: It really came moving.
28:08 --> 28:15 [SPEAKER_00]: It did keep moving, it was curious because I think we were laughing at certain points
28:15 --> 28:20 [SPEAKER_00]: at the wrong parts, and there were parts where it was supposed to be funny, and we left there too.
28:20 --> 28:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
28:21 --> 28:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And there were parts where it was scary, or it, like, is it?
28:24 --> 28:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
28:24 --> 28:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Spenceful.
28:25 --> 28:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway.
28:26 --> 28:32 [SPEAKER_03]: I will say one part I did actually like, that it was a kind of January a little bit of a jump scare was with zipper.
28:33 --> 28:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
28:33 --> 28:34 [SPEAKER_03]: That was pretty cool.
28:34 --> 28:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Because I was like, that was unexpected.
28:35 --> 28:39 [SPEAKER_04]: Back to where dog, you know, expected dog to be aware of.
28:39 --> 28:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
28:39 --> 28:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I do take issue with the name zipper for the dog.
28:42 --> 28:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
28:42 --> 28:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I guess that helps me surprise you for the attack.
28:46 --> 28:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right.
28:47 --> 28:48 [SPEAKER_00]: You wouldn't expect a dog named Zipper.
28:49 --> 28:53 [SPEAKER_06]: I think that that he was just a big fan of rescue rangers.
28:54 --> 28:56 [SPEAKER_06]: So they need a dog after the fly from the rescue rangers.
28:56 --> 28:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Also, Zipper is famously have lots of teeth.
28:59 --> 29:01 [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know if that's where it comes from.
29:01 --> 29:05 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that's the they all all teeth.
29:05 --> 29:08 [SPEAKER_04]: Come on guys, these jokes right themselves.
29:09 --> 29:10 [SPEAKER_04]: I think it will be here all week.
29:10 --> 29:13 [SPEAKER_06]: I think Christina really reached you to a great job.
29:13 --> 29:15 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, the acting was fine.
29:15 --> 29:17 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, they were all actual stars.
29:17 --> 29:17 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
29:17 --> 29:18 [SPEAKER_04]: They did.
29:18 --> 29:19 [SPEAKER_04]: It's good acting.
29:19 --> 29:22 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, but she, she oftentimes didn't look.
29:22 --> 29:23 [SPEAKER_06]: as weird.
29:23 --> 29:34 [SPEAKER_06]: So like I was very distracted by Jesse Eisenberg's terrible makeup like he was just very, very always looked like he very red legs red popsicle.
29:35 --> 29:36 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, like for half the movie.
29:36 --> 29:38 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, he looks like that.
29:39 --> 29:40 [SPEAKER_00]: But not like where will make up.
29:41 --> 29:46 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I can't remember the actor's name, but Lex Luther.
29:46 --> 30:15 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you can definitely tell he's worried because this is small bills going on just yeah To he could so we've got two different characters that of actors that have played Lex Luthers Yeah, yeah, both of them were Lex Luthers during this small bill in the in the 2000s Was yeah, the that Lex Luthers that actor that's just I guess I just don't think of the Snyder versus like cannon Yeah, so Lex Luthers from small bill and his
30:15 --> 30:16 [SPEAKER_06]: I can't think of his name.
30:17 --> 30:20 [SPEAKER_06]: Sorry about that, but like his wig was distracting.
30:20 --> 30:22 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, especially the back.
30:23 --> 30:24 [SPEAKER_06]: Fathered me.
30:24 --> 30:28 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, you just the eyes of the wig wasn't bald as Alex Luther was he was he?
30:29 --> 30:34 [SPEAKER_06]: You can tell I've seen Batman vs. Big fan.
30:34 --> 30:37 [SPEAKER_06]: I actually have seen it once, but I just, that's how memorable it was.
30:38 --> 30:42 [SPEAKER_03]: But can we, okay, so I'll two things.
30:42 --> 30:45 [SPEAKER_03]: One, there were a couple of humorous spots where I thought was kind of funny.
30:45 --> 30:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I liked when they called out what's her face is when she turns into the werewolf and she runs off in the cop show up.
30:53 --> 31:04 [SPEAKER_03]: And she basically, she's hiding, she's a very richie, oh yeah, yeah, she's a great and christian richie's character is like oh yeah, she turned into a woman and she's got fat thighs and all this other stuff.
31:04 --> 31:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody's skin and she just ugly and the wearable kicks in the windows and then flips her off and all the cops right the cops later up it's fantastic, but
31:15 --> 31:20 [SPEAKER_03]: What I did not appreciate was the VFX.
31:20 --> 31:25 [SPEAKER_03]: It looked like a little bit like, what was the dude Odo from DPS9?
31:25 --> 31:28 [SPEAKER_03]: He just looked like somebody into a puddle.
31:28 --> 31:30 [SPEAKER_03]: They literally looked like putty creatures.
31:30 --> 31:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
31:31 --> 31:33 [SPEAKER_03]: It was the weirdest transition.
31:33 --> 31:36 [SPEAKER_06]: The thing that started out being not too bad.
31:36 --> 31:37 [SPEAKER_06]: And I was like, this isn't too bad for the time.
31:37 --> 31:42 [SPEAKER_06]: And then I was like, I instantly regretted saying that because it just got worse as the transformation went on.
31:43 --> 31:54 [SPEAKER_04]: So sadly, the original effects were practical effects done by Rick Baker, who is like the godfather of where Wolf practical effects.
31:54 --> 31:54 [SPEAKER_04]: He did it.
31:55 --> 32:03 [SPEAKER_04]: He did the original stuff from what's the one, where Wolf American, where Wolf in London.
32:03 --> 32:20 [SPEAKER_04]: he did the original Werewolf transitions all practical effects like pretty cool yeah and he so he did the werewolf he did everything for this film even the gore whatever for the first cut then when they did resutes and stuff they
32:20 --> 32:26 [SPEAKER_04]: through out everything Rick Baker had done and they hired another company to come and do the practical effects.
32:27 --> 32:30 [SPEAKER_04]: So when we see practical, because you could tell which ones were the practical effects.
32:30 --> 32:31 [SPEAKER_03]: I was going to say there were a couple practical effects.
32:31 --> 32:35 [SPEAKER_04]: Those things were done by this second group that did this.
32:37 --> 32:40 [SPEAKER_04]: There was a smaller group who kind of helped out with things.
32:41 --> 32:42 [SPEAKER_04]: You see them there.
32:42 --> 32:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks guys for watching my school in 2000.
32:44 --> 32:44 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
32:44 --> 33:09 [SPEAKER_04]: And then touch up with Photoshop, the Weinstein's didn't like the way the practical effects look so they said we're doing it all with digital and so with a micro budget and no time Some studio was given the job to do this and it shows kind of looks like some college kids first project for us even actually he got a D in that class it was bad
33:08 --> 33:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Like when Judy Greer transforms like so Nate you mentioned early on like the first I will say like 10 seconds roughly I was like, okay, that's pretty good like she looks lanky and she looks awkward and it looks uncomfortable Yeah, like our hands are really hairy than it like her crush and then
33:28 --> 33:32 [SPEAKER_03]: And then she turns into some weird dark putty creature and the faces, like, I don't know, it, yeah, it's around the top with a face draw on it.
33:32 --> 33:44 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
33:46 --> 33:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that's always been the weakness of the where we'll store your franchise or transfer.
33:51 --> 33:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Whatever is the transformation and the effects.
33:53 --> 34:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, whether it's from the 1950s or earlier or now it's just like it's one point that can be very criticized and
34:02 --> 34:04 [SPEAKER_00]: hard to pull off one correct way.
34:05 --> 34:12 [SPEAKER_04]: That's probably the only thing that I can give twilight credit for is there were wolf transitions happen instantly.
34:13 --> 34:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Like they don't even bother with the long slow cool transition to close it just like they've jump up and immediately turn into a werewolf so they bypass all of that.
34:22 --> 34:26 [SPEAKER_04]: Of course they're bypassing the terror and fear of coming up monster.
34:26 --> 34:28 [SPEAKER_04]: Because that's not what they're about.
34:28 --> 34:31 [SPEAKER_04]: But the transition has happened so fast that it's totally
34:31 --> 34:33 [SPEAKER_04]: believeable and whatever.
34:33 --> 34:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Have you guys seen the movie or the series underworld?
34:36 --> 34:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I feel like those have good Vampires right they transform well and they present well on screen and many of them are practical and It's the hold up fantastically.
34:46 --> 34:47 [SPEAKER_03]: I think they're great.
34:47 --> 34:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Like I think that's an example of one
34:49 --> 34:51 [SPEAKER_03]: where it is kind of gruesome transforming.
34:51 --> 34:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it is impactful.
34:53 --> 34:55 [SPEAKER_03]: Like people are like popping in bones or like moving awkwardly.
34:56 --> 34:57 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's done very well.
34:57 --> 35:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think there's part of that they were trying to do.
35:00 --> 35:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Did not work.
35:01 --> 35:02 [SPEAKER_03]: No, no.
35:02 --> 35:04 [SPEAKER_06]: I do feel like, um,
35:04 --> 35:21 [SPEAKER_06]: the transition of and Harry Potter was was for that was pretty good with Lupin yeah and I mean in that Lopin that would have been that would have come out like because he's a wear wolf and yeah with that of that's that's what it's for with that have come out
35:22 --> 35:37 [SPEAKER_06]: 2005-ish I don't know the first one's first one is 2001 yeah second one's two to two to three so it's running around the same time this came out and yeah and that's what it makes budget will get you obviously cg but yeah at least
35:37 --> 35:42 [SPEAKER_06]: But back to this film, I think one of the things that I loved was, like, how inclusive it was.
35:42 --> 35:44 [SPEAKER_06]: We've got a DBT community.
35:45 --> 35:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Not at the beginning.
35:47 --> 35:47 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's right.
35:48 --> 35:55 [SPEAKER_03]: There were a lot of slurs and just typical, like, macho, high-zappler, fully beat up the, the Winby-Niglayer.
35:55 --> 36:06 [SPEAKER_06]: Milo, then to take, then to make Milo, then to make Milo, then to make Milo, then to make Milo, then to make Milo, then to make Milo, then to make Milo, then to make Milo, then to make Milo, then to make Milo, then to make Milo, then to make Milo, then to make Milo, then to make Milo, then to make Milo, then to make Milo, then to make Milo, then to make Milo, then to make Milo, then to make Milo, then to make Milo, then to make
36:06 --> 36:12 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you get it so yeah, he is he is a
36:14 --> 36:22 [SPEAKER_03]: He is a closeted hype over like over emphasizing his masculinity to mask that he's gay.
36:23 --> 36:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
36:23 --> 36:34 [SPEAKER_03]: And he realizes that he can be brave enough to be gay by wrestling Jesse Eisenberg and getting his a absolutely kicked on the mat by where Wolf and Fuse Jesse Eisenberg.
36:34 --> 36:39 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I was hoping for a teen wolf type moment, but it didn't really play out that way.
36:39 --> 36:44 [SPEAKER_03]: I've heard though that is a pretty common like straight to gay story.
36:44 --> 36:54 [SPEAKER_03]: you know it's you know I know a lot of people say that it there's a gauge and it's not it's where wolves yeah is where wolves beating up high school kids on on the wrestling mat that's what's happening
36:56 --> 36:57 [SPEAKER_03]: don't call me on that.
36:57 --> 36:58 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not a doctor.
36:59 --> 37:02 [SPEAKER_06]: But it was, I don't know.
37:02 --> 37:08 [SPEAKER_06]: I know there was much of rewrites and reshoots and stuff, but that, that little plot point just felt so kind of shoehorned for us to know.
37:08 --> 37:15 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it was weird that they should have just been the regular bully because Jesse Eisenberg's supposed to be the nerdy kid.
37:15 --> 37:15 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
37:15 --> 37:31 [SPEAKER_06]: being a regular bully to being being it like his best friend who's in love with him yeah and helps him get together with with his with his his beer girlfriend yeah okay so okay so that was the gym teacher because that raises a great point it bit
37:31 --> 37:41 [SPEAKER_03]: OK, we're talking about monsters of lore and everybody was just like, well, Gauly, I guess silver, I can't wear silver anymore, that's going to be nobody cared.
37:41 --> 37:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Won't it be cool that we can like, like, we can lose all over hair and we'll grow it back?
37:45 --> 37:46 [SPEAKER_04]: That'll be great.
37:46 --> 37:48 [SPEAKER_03]: They were just so casual about the whole thing.
37:49 --> 37:50 [SPEAKER_04]: I think we're where we'll now.
37:50 --> 38:15 [SPEAKER_03]: one of the girls her best friend was literally murdered by some wild and one gets in horrific car accident and then is murdered by some giant animal running through the woods and she's like oh Jake you're so cute I'm so not with you like nothing happened like like if my my first friend was in a car accident and then mall to death by a giant animal I'm pretty sure I would at least wait two days before I get right back
38:15 --> 38:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Like one day he's cutting it a little close, and then even at the end of the movie, you're just talking about the gay friend and the, you know, his ex love.
38:25 --> 38:29 [SPEAKER_03]: She is just all smiles and giggles walking up to the house because the dog was loose.
38:29 --> 38:32 [SPEAKER_03]: But the house is destroyed.
38:33 --> 38:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
38:33 --> 38:35 [SPEAKER_03]: And she's a dog was a werewolf.
38:37 --> 38:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
38:37 --> 38:39 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't understand it at all.
38:39 --> 38:39 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
38:40 --> 38:50 [SPEAKER_06]: So you just lost touch with this generous you do when you're mentioning the friend who goes to the party even though our best friends Yeah, the one interesting thing about her death if you remember is the we're off also killed the camera man.
38:50 --> 38:55 [SPEAKER_06]: That's true Because we're well busted to the elevator and then then the screen goes blank
38:55 --> 39:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, can we also talk about whoever the like the fortune telling gypsy girl was.
39:00 --> 39:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, who was poor shatter of it.
39:02 --> 39:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, at the very beginning and then popped in a couple times and you expect her to maybe come back around to be important to like reversing the curse or having no she's just like your life is going to suck pretty soon, whichever watch out for the monster, much over the beast.
39:15 --> 39:16 [SPEAKER_03]: That's it.
39:16 --> 39:17 [SPEAKER_03]: We're like, okay, you did that one time.
39:17 --> 39:18 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't need to tell me.
39:18 --> 39:22 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm like Shannon and Elizabeth says something like, you're not supposed to listen.
39:22 --> 39:22 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like that.
39:22 --> 39:27 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it'll play off the crack pipe.
39:27 --> 39:35 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, not every movie can be like, we do shark where the the the the psychic person ends up playing an important role.
39:35 --> 39:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Even though she appears at the end of the movie.
39:38 --> 39:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it makes me curious if she was in the movie more, or if it was just a show.
39:41 --> 39:43 [SPEAKER_00]: She's a very shoehorned in.
39:43 --> 39:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
39:44 --> 39:45 [SPEAKER_06]: But she also did a pretty good job.
39:45 --> 39:49 [SPEAKER_06]: Like she even takes off her weird stuff at the TV studio at that, right?
39:49 --> 39:53 [SPEAKER_06]: That also felt like they're like, oh, we need to get these characters together.
39:53 --> 39:54 [SPEAKER_06]: How are we going to do it?
39:54 --> 39:59 [SPEAKER_03]: And like, again, just another thing that just robs me the wrong way.
40:00 --> 40:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody in this effing show is related to each other.
40:03 --> 40:06 [SPEAKER_03]: That's for in this titanit network, right?
40:06 --> 40:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Like it's you know Like there's seven degrees of bacon, but in this show there's two degrees of Kevin Bacon because everybody knows him or dates him Right, and he's Ivan the movie, but like I think you got what I'm saying like everybody knows everybody Yes, from very disparate like some random gypsy girl at a circus is
40:23 --> 40:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Also the sister of the producer dude, right, the station that Christina Ritchie works at, and the girl that gets hit in the car happens to have been dating the fort, you know, like so just so many weird coincidences.
40:36 --> 40:43 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and the other girl that Judy Greer, who she works with was was, she was the werewolf.
40:44 --> 40:48 [SPEAKER_04]: She was the werewolf, the bit them.
40:48 --> 40:49 [SPEAKER_04]: But she was dating with Jackson.
40:49 --> 40:58 [SPEAKER_04]: She was, yeah, dating Josh for Jackson, and was actually probably following Shannon Elizabeth possibly, but they all worked together.
40:58 --> 40:59 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
40:59 --> 41:06 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, they all worked the same studio, um, and then I also didn't quite understand like why Jesse Eisenberg knew Joshua Jackson's character.
41:06 --> 41:19 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I don't know because it didn't seem like Christina reaching Josh rejection like we're long-term day right close Yeah, and so it was like why does he why would he go and why would he trust him like why would he even know him that I maybe that guy on the cutting room for I don't know so Bracken.
41:19 --> 41:21 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean you lived in LA for a while.
41:21 --> 41:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Did you run in the same circle of seven people who all know and or related to each other of course Okay, and everyone has goes to parties on the top floor of skyscrapers and
41:31 --> 41:32 [SPEAKER_00]: and what not.
41:33 --> 41:38 [SPEAKER_06]: So do you just, I'll suggest animals to be the vaccine for the, like, anthropies of how you know it's required.
41:38 --> 41:40 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a, it's a, it's a way of life in my way.
41:41 --> 41:44 [SPEAKER_04]: You have to show your vaccination.
41:44 --> 41:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's exactly.
41:44 --> 41:47 [SPEAKER_00]: No, you know, we didn't really go over the rules.
41:47 --> 41:53 [SPEAKER_00]: The only rule we mentioned was you have to kill the prior parent where Wolf to get into the next.
41:53 --> 41:57 [SPEAKER_00]: But there were a couple of things that were kind of different that we didn't that you're not used to.
41:57 --> 42:00 [SPEAKER_00]: So silver, bullet, or silver doesn't kill you.
42:00 --> 42:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it just hurt?
42:02 --> 42:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Just hurt, right?
42:03 --> 42:08 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you touch silver as a where Wolf, it will smoke or you'll feel pain.
42:08 --> 42:09 [SPEAKER_00]: You can get stabbed with something silver.
42:09 --> 42:11 [SPEAKER_00]: It will hurt you, but it won't kill you.
42:11 --> 42:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
42:11 --> 42:13 [SPEAKER_00]: You have to have your head separated from...
42:14 --> 42:39 [SPEAKER_00]: your heart in order to kill the world is also a vampire thing and then the other thing about the the movie was there were five on the palm of your hand if you're where we'll all right mark of the beast mark of the beast will have five different points that are the points in the past or something you have to you have to use a sharpie on your hand to make sure to make it stick or something I don't know that they didn't really explain that part but yeah
42:39 --> 42:47 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you wanted to find out if someone was the where-of, all you have to do is really look at your palm.
42:47 --> 42:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
42:47 --> 42:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Just to show me your palms and see if you are where-well.
42:53 --> 42:55 [SPEAKER_03]: So this is actually-this is actually a little known fact.
42:55 --> 42:56 [SPEAKER_03]: But you know,
42:57 --> 43:05 [SPEAKER_03]: the police hands up that actually goes back to ancient times to identify werewolves as nothing to do with showing whether or not you are armed.
43:05 --> 43:07 [SPEAKER_03]: If they're absolutely looking for a different type of arm.
43:07 --> 43:08 [SPEAKER_00]: The mark of the beast.
43:08 --> 43:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
43:08 --> 43:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty sure the LA police were trained on that when the LA was here to get into.
43:12 --> 43:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
43:12 --> 43:17 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and you know, that's why they always tell you make sure your palms are forward.
43:17 --> 43:24 [SPEAKER_04]: Don't raise your hands with your palms backwards because they'll just shoot you Yeah, because they're like, oh, you're trying to push you in.
43:24 --> 43:27 [SPEAKER_03]: I know I know everybody loves LA LAPD.
43:28 --> 43:35 [SPEAKER_03]: They get a bad rap, but considering the absolute rampant where wolf populations You got a shoot first and ask questions later, right?
43:35 --> 43:38 [SPEAKER_03]: So you know Michael Rose
43:40 --> 43:42 [SPEAKER_03]: This wasn't meant to be like a back-to-blue to protect.
43:42 --> 43:44 [SPEAKER_03]: But it's just not where the whole thing blew line here.
43:46 --> 43:48 [SPEAKER_06]: So Michael Rosenbaum's character, right?
43:48 --> 43:49 [SPEAKER_06]: You looked at it.
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44:04 --> 44:05 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's right.
44:05 --> 44:05 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's right.
44:05 --> 44:06 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah,
44:05 --> 44:08 [SPEAKER_06]: Right, so we're like oh, like we don't have because I'm for this.
44:08 --> 44:14 [SPEAKER_06]: We didn't quite know if who we were like we're throwing out my go Scott, I was shooting a career.
44:14 --> 44:19 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, it's like yeah, and so he he was I felt like a pretty decent red Haring when he would didn't show his palms.
44:20 --> 44:21 [SPEAKER_06]: You're like, oh, it's got to be well, and him.
44:21 --> 44:33 [SPEAKER_03]: He was like the only person that was left in the building after I got locked down Right, everybody else is running out and he's talking about predictable
44:33 --> 44:37 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, like, overall other than was the red herring in there.
44:37 --> 44:39 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I think Bracken called it out, right?
44:39 --> 44:44 [SPEAKER_04]: But I'm, or somebody called it out, like three minutes in or whatever.
44:44 --> 44:45 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like, oh, Josh Jackson.
44:45 --> 44:47 [SPEAKER_03]: It's definitely Josh Jackson.
44:47 --> 44:47 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
44:47 --> 44:47 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
44:47 --> 44:54 [SPEAKER_03]: And, and we called out Judy Greer, Judy Greer, and then also the, the, the, the, the pie knife.
44:54 --> 44:55 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
44:55 --> 44:57 [SPEAKER_04]: As, as I wasn't that kept coming up.
44:57 --> 44:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
44:57 --> 44:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
44:58 --> 44:58 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
44:58 --> 44:58 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
44:59 --> 45:09 [SPEAKER_00]: So what got me was there's a scene at toward the end where there were Judy Greer's character is kind of run out of the room and all the police come in.
45:10 --> 45:15 [SPEAKER_00]: And they're explaining to her, they're describing her, it's one of those comedic moments.
45:15 --> 45:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
45:16 --> 45:18 [SPEAKER_00]: And then they realize Cristina Rich is very smart.
45:18 --> 45:22 [SPEAKER_00]: She's like, okay, I'm gonna really mock her appearance to make her to come back into the room.
45:23 --> 45:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And so she shows up and they're like, oh, there she is, and it's a wear wolf.
45:28 --> 45:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And then she says all these bad things about her, whatever.
45:31 --> 45:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And then Judy Grant, as a wear wolf, flips her the bird.
45:34 --> 45:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was great.
45:35 --> 45:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, my first thought as the police, you know, if I was a policeman,
45:39 --> 45:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I showed up in that room.
45:40 --> 45:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I would think, oh, it's a wearable that just flipped the bird.
45:43 --> 45:44 [SPEAKER_00]: That's not a monster.
45:44 --> 45:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a person in a costume.
45:47 --> 45:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Right?
45:47 --> 45:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Would you think an animal would flip the bird back in a?
45:50 --> 45:52 [SPEAKER_00]: But then, yeah, there's no plausibility, right?
45:52 --> 45:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm overthinking.
45:53 --> 45:57 [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, thank you for sharing that because I actually would like to rescind my statement about LAPD.
45:57 --> 46:00 [SPEAKER_03]: At no point did I hear Miranda Rights?
46:00 --> 46:05 [SPEAKER_03]: They did not even offer for her to step down and surrender herself.
46:05 --> 46:07 [SPEAKER_03]: They fired like she leaves.
46:07 --> 46:10 [SPEAKER_04]: I would like to quote one of their lines from this.
46:10 --> 46:11 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, yeah, do it.
46:12 --> 46:13 [SPEAKER_04]: Freeze!
46:13 --> 46:14 [SPEAKER_04]: Where's the wild animal?
46:17 --> 46:17 [SPEAKER_04]: That was ridiculous.
46:17 --> 46:19 [SPEAKER_00]: So it was not LA's finest.
46:19 --> 46:20 [SPEAKER_00]: This is what you're trying to say.
46:20 --> 46:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
46:22 --> 46:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so anyway, they shoot it like, they shoot it like a hundred times.
46:28 --> 46:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, blood and then obviously your head's not separated from her body.
46:33 --> 46:43 [SPEAKER_00]: So I I know they shot her brains and her brains were Spread on the ground so that gets that counted, but then at the end they show a shot where she's transformed back into human form.
46:44 --> 46:44 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, he's 13.
46:45 --> 46:46 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, in the end.
46:46 --> 46:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
46:47 --> 46:48 [SPEAKER_00]: But there was no like blood on our side.
46:49 --> 46:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I started to think maybe she's still alive.
46:50 --> 46:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
46:51 --> 46:52 [SPEAKER_00]: But we really didn't know.
46:52 --> 46:55 [SPEAKER_00]: So I wonder if she could ever come back for the sequel.
46:55 --> 46:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, she's cured now because they killed Jake.
46:59 --> 47:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's true.
47:00 --> 47:01 [SPEAKER_00]: We went up in a circle.
47:01 --> 47:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Give us your death.
47:02 --> 47:03 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
47:03 --> 47:04 [SPEAKER_06]: He was a big man.
47:04 --> 47:09 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, because we all know that when you kill a werewolf, they turn into dust.
47:09 --> 47:09 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, wait.
47:09 --> 47:10 [SPEAKER_04]: No, that's vampires.
47:11 --> 47:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
47:12 --> 47:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
47:13 --> 47:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe this was the rewrite, but it sounded like she had had sex with him.
47:17 --> 47:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
47:18 --> 47:19 [SPEAKER_00]: She told him
47:20 --> 47:24 [SPEAKER_00]: to be careful because he had sex with her and he turned into a wearable because of that.
47:24 --> 47:30 [SPEAKER_00]: But he said earlier that he had been a wearable from birth and he's had it all his life.
47:31 --> 47:39 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that might have been some of those rewrites that just didn't make sense because you're like, well, was she the original or was he, and then he revealed later that he was the original?
47:39 --> 47:41 [SPEAKER_06]: I do see a lot of roses.
47:41 --> 47:42 [SPEAKER_06]: Like, is he born in the litter?
47:42 --> 47:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
47:43 --> 47:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
47:44 --> 47:46 [SPEAKER_03]: I think the important message here is if you are
47:46 --> 48:09 [SPEAKER_04]: if you're going to get frisky with your partner you should always reprotection you just don't know and you don't want to end up a vampire yeah it's right or not a vampire where will yeah what will we don't know that the way that people become where wills is when you insult a gypsy so he must have when he was born he's like one of those little babies that will flip people off so for sure derocies a character has plays a bigger role than we thought that's right
48:09 --> 48:09 [SPEAKER_06]: Look at this.
48:09 --> 48:10 [SPEAKER_00]: You cursed me.
48:11 --> 48:12 [SPEAKER_00]: It's getting rewritten all over again.
48:12 --> 48:19 [SPEAKER_06]: What if in universe like vampires were started like, you know, they were dying out.
48:19 --> 48:21 [SPEAKER_06]: So they united with the werewolves.
48:22 --> 48:26 [SPEAKER_06]: So like, you know, they, they, you know, like, and then we go on it, right?
48:26 --> 48:31 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you know, and, and so like, when we get, I am legend, where will vampires?
48:31 --> 48:32 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
48:32 --> 48:38 [SPEAKER_06]: And so maybe that's why, maybe that's why everything about these werewolves is basically just a hairy vampire.
48:38 --> 48:39 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's a very true.
48:40 --> 48:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, yeah, because I, I,
48:42 --> 48:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Is it just me, but I don't recall where Wolflore the recipient of where Wolfism to be sexy and have like animal magnetism.
48:52 --> 48:54 [SPEAKER_04]: Again, vampires.
48:54 --> 49:03 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like, yeah, they're telling the whole thing is a vampire story and they're like, but make them wear wolves.
49:03 --> 49:06 [SPEAKER_06]: There was some cross colonization going back in history.
49:06 --> 49:07 [SPEAKER_06]: There was.
49:07 --> 49:18 [SPEAKER_06]: when they when they found they couldn't catch up with the Transylvania horses the where we'll fall So What do you all think about this movie?
49:18 --> 49:21 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, where does this land is this worth watching?
49:21 --> 49:23 [SPEAKER_04]: Is it exceptionally bad?
49:25 --> 49:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll start, just some final thoughts.
49:29 --> 49:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I, there were a lot of inconsistencies in this movie, too.
49:32 --> 49:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, even down to the last scene where they go in the house, there's no electricity, but yet the light and the fridge is on.
49:39 --> 49:43 [SPEAKER_00]: and the lights are flickering in the basement when they're trying to turn the power back on.
49:43 --> 49:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And the light on the top of the stairs to the basement is like, I've never seen that in a movie ever.
49:48 --> 49:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Ever.
49:49 --> 49:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, there's some plotline inconsistencies as well that just don't that boggle in mind.
49:56 --> 50:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I did enjoy the fact that I love the screen movies, especially the first ones really great.
50:05 --> 50:09 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a scene in this where they're in the bathroom
50:09 --> 50:13 [SPEAKER_00]: the shot with the feet behind in the store, all right, all right.
50:13 --> 50:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, there's a lot of references.
50:16 --> 50:17 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of familiar ground.
50:18 --> 50:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe two overly familiar, but I definitely enjoyed this movie.
50:24 --> 50:27 [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't slow, great cast.
50:29 --> 50:34 [SPEAKER_00]: You just would be shocked to see all these actors in this really
50:35 --> 50:36 [SPEAKER_00]: random.
50:36 --> 50:36 [SPEAKER_00]: There's some good.
50:37 --> 50:47 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a good, I mean, there's, there's just some scenes where it just, you're in the parking garage and you're like, okay, something's going to happen because they're in a parking garage.
50:47 --> 50:54 [SPEAKER_00]: They're walking to their car or there's some of that comes around out of an elevator afterwards and you're like, okay, that person's dead.
50:54 --> 51:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, it just, yeah, there's so obvious, unexpected thing tropes that happen in this movie, but at the same time it's still enjoyable.
51:06 --> 51:09 [SPEAKER_06]: So I had a lot of fun with this movie who watched her with you guys.
51:09 --> 51:10 [SPEAKER_06]: I would probably watch it again.
51:10 --> 51:19 [SPEAKER_06]: I think I, I probably lean more towards just to the towards the just bad but I would watch it again.
51:20 --> 51:22 [SPEAKER_06]: Like I thought the acting in it was pretty decent.
51:23 --> 51:27 [SPEAKER_06]: Like it may be even when we have restarted.
51:27 --> 51:34 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm like we should watch, sleep behind X we can keep the Christina reachy like marathon going because I thought she did a great job.
51:35 --> 51:42 [SPEAKER_06]: considering like how kind of background crazy the script was and probably all the probably all the reshoots and rewrites like I think she did a good job.
51:43 --> 51:56 [SPEAKER_06]: I did not understand the the being a world makes you sexy and the way that she played it I thought was kind of was kind of fun and yeah Jessie Eisenberg's was less pleasable I think but
51:57 --> 52:03 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, yeah, I agree with a lot of what Brangots said I would probably lean more towards the bad than exceptionally bad, but I'm kind of on the fence there.
52:03 --> 52:04 [SPEAKER_06]: I was fun.
52:04 --> 52:13 [SPEAKER_06]: And this is, Horrors not usually my thing, but so it's nice to, another fun one that I can, that I can throw in around Halloween time to watch.
52:14 --> 52:14 [SPEAKER_06]: Cool.
52:15 --> 52:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, yeah, I mixed as well.
52:17 --> 52:21 [SPEAKER_03]: I think this would be one that, it,
52:22 --> 52:27 [SPEAKER_03]: I probably would have been confused and more annoyed if I'd just been watching it alone.
52:27 --> 52:30 [SPEAKER_03]: But I think the camaraderie of like, yeah, you're not crazy.
52:30 --> 52:33 [SPEAKER_03]: That's f-ed up, like, yeah, well, I don't understand either.
52:33 --> 52:37 [SPEAKER_03]: I think the camaraderie is really what sold it for me and it was a lot of fun.
52:38 --> 52:42 [SPEAKER_03]: I thought just occurred to me though, like, you talked about all the reshoots.
52:42 --> 52:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Remember, when Kristen Ritchie has her little sleepy flashback at the first night that she always said, all of that stuff.
52:48 --> 52:50 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm thinking back through that.
52:51 --> 53:07 [SPEAKER_03]: most of that I don't recall seeing in the moon ever happened and so I think I think we actually saw the entire first cut in her in her flashback I'm gonna have to go back and watch that and that's just go for you by frame and see what happens because that actually kind of there were scary stuff in there for sure
53:07 --> 53:19 [SPEAKER_03]: So there's flashes of greatness here, but basically, if you're looking for twilight where their only sexy at night when they're covered in hair, then this is the movie for you.
53:19 --> 53:27 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, if you're into twilight and you can't decide if your team Edward, good team Jacob, watch this movie because they're kind of the same kind of actually an excellent one together.
53:27 --> 53:28 [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
53:28 --> 53:32 [SPEAKER_04]: Team Jake word or whatever you have.
53:33 --> 53:33 [SPEAKER_04]: All right.
53:34 --> 53:37 [SPEAKER_04]: So I, I think I'm
53:38 --> 53:43 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going back and forth with this too and everybody has kind of swayed me in their different directions.
53:44 --> 53:55 [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like it was bad movie and I don't think that I would watch it alone but watching it with people is actually fun as long as you're all in on it.
53:55 --> 54:05 [SPEAKER_04]: Now, I watch a lot of horror movies and a lot of them are really bad way worse than this one.
54:06 --> 54:32 [SPEAKER_04]: One of the reasons why I still why I watch bad ones is because even with bad ones usually you can find one or two things that are kind of cool you know little ideas that somebody had something that's a little bit scary I mean this one has a bunch that the werewolf dog was you know that was unique and with scary her little flashback thing
54:32 --> 54:43 [SPEAKER_04]: I remember, as I was watching it, I was like, whoa, yeah, I was like, well, that's kind of, there was something, I can't even put my finger on what it was, but there was stuff that was felt scary.
54:43 --> 54:44 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
54:44 --> 54:46 [SPEAKER_06]: Was it Shannon Elizabeth and Maya's hair being exactly the same?
54:46 --> 54:47 [SPEAKER_06]: Is that what was the scary thing?
54:47 --> 54:48 [SPEAKER_06]: It was their bangs.
54:49 --> 54:50 [SPEAKER_00]: It was the 2000s.
54:50 --> 54:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Was it the realism of that steak?
54:53 --> 54:54 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's right.
54:54 --> 54:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Zippers.
54:55 --> 55:01 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it was like a piece of wood, it was a piece of wood like yes.
55:03 --> 55:15 [SPEAKER_04]: So I think if I were to, I think I would go exceptionally bad on this based off of the definition of having a fun time with friends watching it, I think it meets exceptionally bad.
55:16 --> 55:18 [SPEAKER_04]: But if you're watching it by yourself, it's bad.
55:18 --> 55:29 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, I love West Craven and so a big fan, this isn't his best, but you know, it's his 1941.
55:29 --> 55:36 [SPEAKER_04]: So you really like it.
55:39 --> 55:44 [SPEAKER_06]: So let me ask you this bracket is with this, make the party.
55:45 --> 55:47 [SPEAKER_06]: So you're like the background of your party.
55:47 --> 55:49 [SPEAKER_06]: So you got from Justin to Kelley back there.
55:49 --> 55:52 [SPEAKER_06]: You got, um, you got this.
55:52 --> 55:53 [SPEAKER_06]: Is this what?
55:53 --> 55:54 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I would.
55:54 --> 55:55 [SPEAKER_00]: So.
55:55 --> 55:56 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a good question.
55:57 --> 56:01 [SPEAKER_00]: It's been a long time since I've referenced that party reference.
56:03 --> 56:06 [SPEAKER_00]: But I would probably, I could watch this movie again from start to finish.
56:06 --> 56:24 [SPEAKER_00]: There's not any slow, painful parts where you want to walk away and mingle with people and then come back when they're doing a dancing with towels, but, you know, I could sit and watch this whole movie actually, so, I mean, I could play it in the background,
56:24 --> 56:30 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, so I feel like that's your the equivalent of Ben's wallet is like Bracken's party play this out.
56:30 --> 56:31 [SPEAKER_06]: It's the party play list.
56:32 --> 56:36 [SPEAKER_06]: Awesome.
56:36 --> 56:37 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I guess that's true.
56:37 --> 56:39 [SPEAKER_06]: I think you think you pay attention this one a bit more.
56:39 --> 56:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
56:42 --> 56:42 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, that was fun.
56:44 --> 56:44 [SPEAKER_03]: It was fun.
56:44 --> 56:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
56:45 --> 56:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Bad movie.
56:46 --> 56:46 [SPEAKER_03]: But fun.
56:46 --> 56:48 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
56:48 --> 56:52 [SPEAKER_04]: So how can thank you for sticking with us?
56:53 --> 56:54 [SPEAKER_04]: That's been a minute.
56:54 --> 56:55 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
56:55 --> 56:55 [SPEAKER_04]: It's been a while.
56:56 --> 56:58 [SPEAKER_04]: How can people contact us or whatever?
56:59 --> 57:02 [SPEAKER_04]: Our Instagram is at exceptionally bad.
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57:07 --> 57:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's be honest guys.
57:08 --> 57:10 [SPEAKER_00]: No one wants to contact us.
57:11 --> 57:12 [SPEAKER_00]: It's okay.
57:12 --> 57:13 [SPEAKER_00]: We can change guys.
57:13 --> 57:14 [SPEAKER_00]: We can change it for listening.
57:14 --> 57:17 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to contact us.
57:17 --> 57:19 [SPEAKER_00]: You just afraid that Danny's going to give out your illness.
57:20 --> 57:21 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
57:21 --> 57:22 [SPEAKER_04]: Listen, you don't have to contact us.
57:22 --> 57:24 [SPEAKER_04]: Just tell your friends.
57:24 --> 57:26 [SPEAKER_04]: Tell your friends that they should listen.
57:26 --> 57:26 [SPEAKER_04]: There you go.
57:27 --> 57:30 [SPEAKER_06]: But if you do have a movie suggest we're we're we'd love to hear from you.
57:30 --> 57:30 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
57:32 --> 57:32 [SPEAKER_06]: Awesome.
57:32 --> 57:33 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, thanks everyone.